Post #206,218
5/5/05 11:55:31 PM
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The Linux Challenge
So, I've made the plunge. My laptop, which I use for a lot of things, is now running exclusively Ubuntu 5.04. I'm using Evolution for my mail client, with Sendmail for outbound, and have banged things into a useable shape. What I would like to do now is get into some slightly more esoteric stuff than what grandma+grandpa do each day...
So, challenge me. Throw a task at me (something not too crazy) along with a "getting started" hint that will at least point me in the right direction. I'm pretty open for what the challenges are, but would prefer challenges that help me learn a little bit more about the underlying structure of Linux.
Thanks,
Thane
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..."
-Isaac Asimov
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Post #206,219
5/6/05 12:16:33 AM
5/6/05 8:16:50 AM
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gauntlet.pickedUp()
Create yourself a GPG/PGP key. Keylength >= 1024 bits. Import into Evolution to be included on all outgoing email with a particular email address. Email me your public key at iwethey@mikevitale.com.
(Edit: Made keylength ">=" instead of ">", which is what I originally intended.)
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Edited by Yendor
May 6, 2005, 08:16:50 AM EDT
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Post #206,244
5/6/05 7:21:26 AM
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Also...
publish you Key with one of the "key-servers" out there. <hint>MIT was heavily involved in the first round of Key servers</hint>
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Post #206,291
5/6/05 1:15:16 PM
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Done and done.
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Post #206,389
5/7/05 9:20:27 AM
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Message received.
Key imported locally. Good job!
Who's got somethin' else?
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #206,223
5/6/05 1:17:27 AM
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Sendmail?
Bet you're not. (Hint; your sendmail "binary" is likely a symlink)
And if you are, you want a good slap. Run Exim. Or Postfix.
Peter
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Post #206,240
5/6/05 7:13:27 AM
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heehee. Is there a decent Webmin module for Exim yet?
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #206,242
5/6/05 7:14:23 AM
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No.
But then, you don't need it, because the config file isn't written in what looks like multiple layers of alternating Hungarian, Boxlish and Sanskrit :-)
Peter
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Post #206,245
5/6/05 7:29:39 AM
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THAT-IS-THE-ANSWER!
Why I switched to Exim and maildrop. (thanks for the maildrop clue Peter)
Exim(with exiscan integrated)-Courier(POP/POP3S, IMAP/IMAPS, Maildrop)-ClamAV-SpamAssassin
That is the ticket for me.
And, by far, sendmail is Bullshit. WHO would choose to use m4. Yes... I know, it is well know. But damn, plain engrish is so much better-ified.
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Post #206,246
5/6/05 7:35:22 AM
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Sendmail's great.
I mean, it's clear as day once you memorize the [link|http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sendmail3/|1232 page Bat book]. Sending e-mail to another server is complicated, anyone can see that. It should be expected that a person who wants to do that needs to spend a little time figuring out how to do it right.
That's also why we have children memorize [link|http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/principia-mathematica/|Principia Mathematica] before we teach arithmetic.
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
;-j
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Post #206,253
5/6/05 8:53:03 AM
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Webmin is the missing piece
With it, it's easier to admin than Exim (sorry, Peter).
Now, having said that, if your distro does not support it, like Debian (Debian's implementation of Sendmail is BROKEN), then it is a enormous PITA to set up. In my months-long quest to set up virtual addresses, Webmin and Sendmail, I learned more about Sendmail and virtusertable than I ever wanted to know. Seriously. I still don't want to know, but I-CAN'T-CLAW-IT-OUT-OF-MY-HEAD.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #206,255
5/6/05 9:13:47 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #206254 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=206254|ICLRPD]
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Post #206,269
5/6/05 10:18:58 AM
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Have that book...
I have the earlier version 2.
But, I used to prefer sendmail with procmail, until I was introduced to Exim.
Since then, I divorced sendmail for exim and switched to maildrop from procmail, as well.
I don't see any performance or config reasons for sendmail anymore.
Yes, it took me quite a while to get my arms around exim, but once done, it feels like a logical extension of the OS, vs. being Stapled and duct-taped on, with wires and clamps holding all the piece together.
Yes, go on and continue to use sendmail. It just makes the problems I am seeing as: Not My Problem.
Exim can handle just about anything you can think of to shove at it. Sendmail still chokes on bad headers if not config'd properly to deal with them, but that produces overhead.
Oh well. And the Webmin thing is not a problem. Skip if you familiarized yourself with exim4 on a testing basis... you'd see my point.
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Post #206,272
5/6/05 10:37:58 AM
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Actually
If you'll remember my reason for the webmin requirement, I have a php script that manipulates sendmail via webmin from another box. I didn't really want to rewrite it to modify the exim config directly - I was open to it, had it been reasonably easy to duplicate virtusertable functionality, but...
Like I said, I'll revisit this sometime in the future; If I like exim enough maybe I'll look at the webmin lack myself.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #206,273
5/6/05 10:46:06 AM
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Yeah. It'll grow on you.
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Post #206,257
5/6/05 9:32:40 AM
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horses duvers!
In my current gig I am mailgnarley for 3.2 MILLION users using sendmail with a few addons
I read config files just fine thankyouverymuch,
bill
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
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Post #206,265
5/6/05 10:03:47 AM
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That's because sendmail's config is written in your language
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #206,271
5/6/05 10:36:46 AM
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ROFL!
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"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican."
-- H. L. Mencken
Support our troops, Impeach Bush.
D. D. Richards
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Post #206,562
5/8/05 9:31:37 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #206561 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=206561|ICLRPD]
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #206,278
5/6/05 12:36:57 PM
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What kind of hardware?
I know a guy who used to work at a place that used Exchange. A developer wrote a bad loop that threw several thousand error messages in the couple of seconds before he realized what was happening. Exchange promptly fell over. This was on fairly beefy x86 hardware. Dual-proc, probably Xeon, lots of RAM. And only about a thousand users.
Now, I know Excange was doing a lot more than just forwarding the mail. It also handles calendaring, applying user-created rules on the server, and providing the web interface. Is the only all-MS solution to this issue simply more hardware? I would think a better solution would be a simple mail server, IMAP and/or POP, sitting behind one or more Exchange servers processing rules and all the other crap.
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Post #206,285
5/6/05 12:43:16 PM
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sparc's lotsa ram and disk and sendmail
pop and with oracle to hold the rules and ldap to bind them.
thanx,
bill
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
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Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep
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Post #206,565
5/8/05 10:02:06 PM
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In...
"pop and with oracle to hold the rules and ldap to bind them"
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadow lies?
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #206,613
5/9/05 10:14:46 AM
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well the winders folks surely think so
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
[link|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/]
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep
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Post #206,902
5/11/05 9:39:56 AM
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I think I'm running Postfix after poking around in Synaptic.
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Post #206,907
5/11/05 10:19:01 AM
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You are, if you didn't change the defaults.
Peter
[link|http://www.ubuntulinux.org|Ubuntu Linux]
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