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For life and death decisions, there's not enough room
in the top five percentile to put everyone that has to
make them.


Why not?


Here's another rebuttal: those guys that pick up the garbage
and fix the sewers have the lives of far more people in their
hands than the average airline pilot, let alone doctor; without
those services thousands of people's lives and health are at
risk - basically, anyone who lives in a city owes a lot to garbage
men and sanitation workers. According to your logic, they should
get 200K/ann too.


Nope.

You missed years of training and dedication.

I can take any random homeless person off the street,
give him $10 a day, and have him throw garbage cans
at a truck.

The driver will get paid more, of course, but again,
given a few weeks of training driving a big truck,
I've filled the job.

So, go back to the SHORT list of people who qualify
based on my premise. That is ability, dedication,
many years of education combined with an immediate impact
on people's lives.

Doctors.
Airline pilots.

Feel free to add the remaining few, and be sure to
note their income level.

Ok, back to what you would consider reasonable.

Give me a $ amount.

And note, I call major BS on $200K per year equaling
"extreme wealth". In this country, $40K is barely
enough to scrape by, raising 2 kids. Some may claim
the to be middle class, but only on the flyover areas
of the county. Certainly not in the NE US where I live.

Here is an article that claims middle class spans
$31K-$76K. Of the people in this middle class,
20% have a college degree and 1.5% have a PHD.

[link|http://www.hiringnetwork.com/common/article88.html|http://www.hiringnet...on/article88.html]

Note: These were 2001 dollars so I'd adjust it up
a bit for inflation.

So at $80K or so we have entry-level well off. Which
leaves a large range up to rich people who own profitable
companies, to very rich people who live off of trust funds.

Again, all based where you live.

In NYC, middle class is up to $250K per year.

[link|http://tenant.net/Alerts/Guide/press/nyt/sr051897.html|http://tenant.net/Al...nyt/sr051897.html]

$200K is NOT extremely wealthy.

So, back to: What is reasonable?
Is $150K reasonable?

So the difference is $50K per Doctor.

According to this:

[link|http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/aps/amahg.htm|http://dbapps.ama-assn.org/aps/amahg.htm]

there are about 690,000 in the US.

690,000 x 50,000 = 34.5 billion dollars.

This is about 1/3 the error rate of Medicare and
Medicaid mis-billings.

[link|http://www.health-itworld.com/enews/03-15-2005_545.html|http://www.health-it...-15-2005_545.html]

It obvious does not scratch the surface of the total
health care industry cost.

Oh, I know, knock off another $50K. That'll fix
the problem for sure!

You have found a scape goat and you simply won't let
go.
New you wouldnt trust me to take out your appendix?
why not? I have carved out a number of mammals intentionally and dont want to reminisce about humans. Am I the person you want to diagnose your broke appendix? prolly not,
thanx,
bill
All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
[link|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/]

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep
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New Because
more than five percent of the population gets to make those kinds of decisions every day.

Air traffic controllers face pressures far in excess of doctors, as do harbourmasters, police, fire, and that's in less than thirty seconds of thought. The amount of training required is irrelevant to the amount of pressure.

Try another one. Of course, you yourself probably have no problem affording doctors for your kids. As I said, you probably don't appreciate the position of someone in your society that's not in your shoes.

Here's another question. Do you think CEOs deserve tens of thousands of times the income of their average worker? After all, they have tons of training, face a lot of pressure... MBAs are graduate degrees. Surely they deserve it.

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about how badly fucked your healthcare system is, since I don't have to live under it. However, the idea that all doctors (or even necessarily all good doctors) deserve to live in the ranks of the extremely wealthy is simply dumb.
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New I thought of the same people
barring harbor masters.

And they all failed the education test.

Which you conveniently discounted.

The amount of training DOES count. It is a matter of how fast you can replace the bad ones. It is a matter of personal investment. It is a matter of personal sacrifice. It is a matter of proving capability.

As I pointed out before, no, I don't think the the MBAs "deserve" it, but they've managed to manipulate the system so they get it, such is life.

And again, you claim "extremely wealthy" when that number (as I've supported) doesn't begin to scratch the surface.

You have an axe to grind.
New I thought of the same people
barring harbor masters.

And they all failed the education test.

Which you conveniently discounted.

The amount of training DOES count. It is a matter of how fast you can replace the bad ones. It is a matter of personal investment. It is a matter of personal sacrifice. It is a matter of proving capability.

As I pointed out before, no, I don't think the the MBAs "deserve" it, but they've managed to manipulate the system so they get it, such is life.

And again, you claim "extremely wealthy" when that number (as I've supported) doesn't begin to scratch the surface.

You have an axe to grind.
     Krugman on health care costs. - (Another Scott) - (54)
         Re: Krugman on health care costs. - (Yendor) - (51)
             But compare US physicians to other countries. - (Another Scott) - (26)
                 try finding a doc that studied in a country you recognise - (boxley) - (25)
                     Who cares WHERE, IF they are competant - (broomberg) - (24)
                         Whew. :-( Hang in there. Luck to Ben too. -NT - (Another Scott)
                         I sense a profit opportunity - (ben_tilly)
                         You should file a complaint - (bionerd)
                         Hmm... One wonders, again, just HOW backwards... - (CRConrad) - (20)
                             Interesting - (broomberg) - (19)
                                 So... - (ubernostrum) - (7)
                                     Painfully - (broomberg) - (6)
                                         I'll keep that in mind. What's your preferrred width? -NT - (Another Scott)
                                         You should set a local CSS file - (admin) - (4)
                                             Show me how and I'm happy to do it. -NT - (broomberg) - (3)
                                                 What browser do you use? -NT - (ubernostrum) - (2)
                                                     Firefox -NT - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                         Find your profile directory - (ubernostrum)
                                 How about a 'if broomberg then clobber crlf' filter :) -NT - (Meerkat)
                                 Have you tried all the options? - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                     its the excess downward pressure on the arms that dislocate - (boxley)
                                     Sorry, thought the question was rhetorical - (broomberg) - (7)
                                         Yep, it's true - (jake123) - (2)
                                             cant go bankrupt here anymore either -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                 That's dry. -NT - (jake123)
                                         Today was a good wheel chair day - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             Woo and Yay! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                         MRI verbal came back - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             I would personally hand it to him - (boxley)
             30? Neurosurgeons yes, but not the majority. - (mmoffitt) - (23)
                 OH, BS - (broomberg) - (22)
                     lawyers and mechanics, same thing -NT - (boxley)
                     Right. A real doctor is. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                         Hmm - (broomberg) - (16)
                             I disagree - (jake123) - (15)
                                 5%er? - (broomberg) - (14)
                                     And the mother would be proud. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                         Ahh, the old Soviet Union - (broomberg)
                                     Wow, how spurious - (jake123) - (6)
                                         Convenient misdirections - (broomberg) - (4)
                                             you wouldnt trust me to take out your appendix? - (boxley)
                                             Because - (jake123) - (2)
                                                 I thought of the same people - (broomberg)
                                                 I thought of the same people - (broomberg)
                                         You've confused medicine and public health - (ben_tilly)
                                     Disagree somewhat - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                         Gotta call a big steaming BS on that one - (drewk) - (3)
                                             You make my point - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                 And you make mine - (drewk) - (1)
                                                     Heh, me too -NT - (tuberculosis)
                         Familiarity breeds contempt. - (Another Scott)
                         OT: Branch this sort of thing, please. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             One might argue Krugman belongs in financials to begin with. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         This is why consumer driven health plans were started - (bionerd)
         You may be mistaking his economics for his politics - (ben_tilly)

Truthful and transparent is great, but we don’t even have a coherent strategy to obfuscate.
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