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New Sounds like voodoo
I mix with a pair of [link|http://www.mackie.com/products/hr824/|Mackie HR824's].

They are "neutral" - dead flat in response from something like 20->22kHz.

They are active monitors - the amp is built into the speaker. Thus, it is a reference monitor/speaker combo working together. It does you no good to tweak a speaker unless you are tweaking it on the amp that is going to be used to drive it. Everything adds color - the key is to get the color filters to balance and become neutral.

Incidentally, these are not the most "pleasant" sounding speakers I have. Only the most accurate.

Audiophiles crack me up.

You should spend a bit of time in the studio watching a final mix-down. The engineer will typically listen to each track through reference monitors and work to produce the most realistic tone using eq/noise reduction/reverb etc. Once he has his palette established, he will rapidly switch between the lovely reference speakers, some big bertha "audiophile" types, a pair of cheapies (Auratone's - often called awful tones - basically car stereo speakers mounted in boxes), and maybe a set of walkman headphones. The idea is to get a good compromise so the piece sounds "decent" on all of the devices.

Thus, your "audiophile" experience is going to be riddled with artifacts imposed by the limitations of much lesser systems. If the engineer is any good, it will still sound great, but is definitely going to be sub-optimal and definitely not "true" reproduction.

Those "hand tweaked" speakers? Most likely rose colored glasses for you ears.




"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:47:51 PM EDT
New Yessir.
But the art was before computer modeling. With active feedback loops with built-in amps.

Yes, they strived to get the most out of them by hand tweaking them. Voodoo it was.
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New I would still like to believe that this applies to pop
and not at all to recording of 'classical', even today - at least I've never heard of a full orchestra sound being 'tuned' for car speakers (or compromised because of noting those results). Certainly true though, especially with the gadgetry now available - what you get will never be from 'a straight wire with gain' from classic Neumann mics, say.

But since the 'Reference Speakers' are inextricably a part of the listening room, having its reverb-time and other qualities: there really is no such thing as a Reference Listening Experience\ufffd (as in NIST-calibration, say). And an anechoic chamber just never would be a useful way of evaluating a music performance, much as it is useful for quite a lot else. We simply cannot relate ears + brain to music 'played' in such a Dead environment.

(I recall seeing pics of a guy's listening room, eons ago: he had made one wall the end of an exponential horn, cast in concrete; grille cloth across this maw, attention paid to no parallel walls or simple integer relationships of wall sizes etc. Suitable drapes, furniture etc.) This was quite pre- billions of transistors and 5000 controls you can set funny. This I deemed excess but not silly, whereas much marketed today is entirely Faith-based Expensive-snake oil, where any proposed double-blind tests are anathema to the hucksters. (Bob Pease, Chief Sci. at National Semiconductors and an anointed Analog Wizard -- did some hilarious takes on this.)



But then, too many million words have been wasted already -- imagining to separate the measurable from the subjective in recording/listening. Just like religion, audio has its Fundies, too. It's What We Do cha cha cha

moi
New I suspect there are specializations
And I can see choosing to optimize classical for the high end speakers. Even so, the dynamic range of most performances exceeds the capability of the equipment. Compressors are still essential to allow speakers to survive Haydn's little joke.

I recently went fishing for a nice collection of Django Reinhardt tunes. There are a number of collections available. Many of them are labeled "remastered" and the careful listener will note that they do sound a bit brighter. However this apparent high end comes at the cost of warmth and is largely the result of introduction of harmonic distortion. While it gives the tracks "modern production values", it costs them in soul and depth. I much prefer the older masterings that sound a little darker, a bit warmer, and to my ears a lot purer.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
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Clearly you have a security problem - and it's got nothing to do with computers.
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