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New US Soldiers conducted mock executions of Iraqi children
[link|http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17206&c=206|http://www.aclu.org/...fm?ID=17206&c=206]

"Abuse of detainees was not aberrational," said ACLU staff attorney Jameel Jaffer. "The Defense Department adopted extreme interrogation techniques as a matter of policy."

In addition to highlighting the torture and abuse of Iraqis by U.S. Marines, the documents released today suggest the existence of an internal culture of secrecy, said Jaffer. For example, when describing the Marines\ufffd "rough handling" of Iraqi prisoners, one Navy corpsman noted, "there was a lot of peer pressure to keep one\ufffds mouth shut."

Other records released by the ACLU today include investigative interviews with Navy personnel that provide a glimpse into the routine abusive treatment of detainees by U.S. forces in Iraq. For example, in one interview, a Navy corpsman described the regular process whereby Iraqis classified as Enemy Prisoners of War (EPWs) would be taken to an empty swimming pool and handcuffed and legcuffed with burlap bags placed over their heads. They would then remain in the kneeling position for up to 24 hours awaiting interrogation. Despite providing this description, the officer stated that he "never saw any instances of physical abuse" toward the detainees.
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Naw, that's not abuse.



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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:18:21 AM EDT
New It isn't that the Terrierists won.. and in a matter of days
- 'we' were Like that before; we just never told the kiddies what we're really like, outside the textbook fantasies (and many of those older kiddies still don't realize that Daddy and many teachers lied to them).
New ObSentient LRPD
"make your blood boil?"
New Out of a hundred people....
(How many are)
cruel
when forced by circumstances
-better not to know
even ballpark figures.....

Wislawa Szymborska
"A Contribution to Statistics"
New The question you have to ask yourself is
what are the circumstances leading to that here? Are the circumstances being created by the Iraqi people, or by the US military? After all, Church has said there are 50K people detained by the US military around the world, most of whom are not being granted due process, and has acknowledged the existence of another group of detainees for whom no records exist at all, a la Chile in the 70s or Guatemala in the 80s.

With that many detainees (and I'd be very interested in seeing numbers for this for say 10 years ago), most of whom are probably from either Iraq or Afghanistan, how long does it take for the boots on the ground to get the idea that the people they're dealing with have no rights? From there, how long before seeing them as less than human?
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New Before??? You picked the wrong tense I suspect...
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Quite possibly true
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
     US Soldiers conducted mock executions of Iraqi children - (tuberculosis) - (6)
         It isn't that the Terrierists won.. and in a matter of days - (Ashton) - (5)
             ObSentient LRPD - (rcareaga)
             Out of a hundred people.... - (dmcarls) - (3)
                 The question you have to ask yourself is - (jake123) - (2)
                     Before??? You picked the wrong tense I suspect... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         Quite possibly true -NT - (jake123)

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