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New I think you've correctly refined that 'limit' of Dumbth
Agree that this perception would be unarguably the majority one, especially given our bizarre sexual hangups. That would have been the advice he should have gotten? probably did get? Arrogance? (So hard to separate that from pedestrian Dumbth, y'know? I cite: Dubya.)

If.. they have court-acceptable dates/times/'aloneness' (MMO in copspeak) - then his only defense must come down to the utterly unprovable.. mindset.

(Then note all the gossip that persists re L. Carroll and his obsession with 'Alice'. Now, even A. Lincoln is in for sexual-ID titillating: we have neither shame nor cuth. And so many without a Life, while invariably ready to manage Yours - from the more absurd passages in the Gud Gawd Book)



Oh Well.. crap shoot. The mob is always looking for fresh meat; never make it easy for them.



We need a Remember Hypatia Day
New Meat Meat MEAT!!!!
[link|http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0113052jackson1.html|http://www.thesmokin...3052jackson1.html]

Two New Jersey children were served alcohol by Michael Jackson during an early-2003 visit to the singer's Neverland Ranch, according to police interviews with the California boy who has accused Jackson of sexual molestation.


[link|http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/010605jackson.html|http://www.thesmokin...10605jackson.html]


If the harrowing and deeply disturbing allegations in these documents are true, Jackson is a textbook pedophile, a 46-year-old predator who plied children with wine, vodka, tequila, Jim Beam whiskey, and Bacardi rum. A man who gave boys nicknames like Doo Doo Head and Blowhole and then quizzed them about whether they masturbated and if "white stuff" came out. A man who conducted drinking games with minors and surfed porn with them on a laptop in his Neverland Ranch bedroom, noting that if anyone asked what they were looking at, the kids should just say they were watching "The Simpsons." A man who frequently talked sex with his little companions and explained that "boys have to masturbate or they go crazy." A man who told one pajama-clad boy that he wanted to show him how to "jack off." When the tipsy child declined the demonstration, Jackson announced, "I'll do it for you," and buried his hand in the boy's Hanes briefs, size small. And a man who emphasized to his little friends that these activities were "their little secret" and should not be disclosed to anyone, even if a gun was at their head.


[link|http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/25132004.htm|http://www.femalefir...rity/25132004.htm]


In the interview with Bashir - whose documentary LIVING WITH MICHAEL JACKSON helped spark the investigation against the pop star - Bashir asks, "Were you ever shown any images that were inappropriate?"

Feldman responds, "If you consider it inappropriate for a man to look at a book of naked pictures with a child that's 13 or 14 years old, then your answer would be yes."




[link|http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackson/010605jacksonsplotch.html|http://www.thesmokin...cksonsplotch.html]


A detailed recounting of the criminal probe of Jackson is contained in sealed documents reviewed by TSG. An affidavit from former Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department deputy Deborah Linden was filed in 1993 to secure court permission to photograph Jackson's private parts. Investigators sought the images in a bid to corroborate allegations made by 13-year-old Jordan Chandler. The boy told police that Jackson frequently masturbated him, adding that he could provide a detailed description of the star's penis as a way of proving the pair had been intimate.

According to the Linden affidavit, Chandler told police that Jackson justified the illicit acts by saying, "it was okay and natural because other friends had done this" with him. The singer, then in his mid-30s, also allegedly told the boy that, "masturbation is a wonderful thing." The celebrity also told Chandler that if he ever spoke about the incidents, he would be "placed in Juvenile Hall," and they both would get in trouble.

The document also describes a confrontation between Jackson and Chandler's father Evan, who suspected that the performer may have been assaulting his son during sleepovers. The elder Chandler tracked Jackson down to his "hideaway apartment" in Los Angeles.

The boy's father asked Jackson, "Are you fucking my kid?"

The entertainer "became very upset" and told Chandler that he did not use that word. Linden notes that the singer did not answer the question or deny the allegation.

With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised.



This is not a crap shoot. This is a smoking gun.

Please Ash, what more do you need? Note, there is a lot more out there, most of it taken from police affidavits, in graphic captures, so it is difficult to paste into this forum, but all you need to do it wander the TSG web site.

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!!
New Probably he will be
Crucified, that is.

But do you really want to make an altar offering of more Fresh Meat to the Ashcroftian hordes -- without including in that Love Offering -- the parents/donors who Knew or Ought to have Known all this stuff you say is.. amongst the "lot more out there"?

Hobson's Choice, wrapped in the enigma which is the Puritan fucking-up of all pleasurable activity -- until we kick that habit (and the Puritans) out.

Some other Millennium, perhaps.
New Just a note.
From personal experience, I wouldn't trust one word out of Corey Feldman's mouth where there's a quick buck to be made.

And as far as MJ goes, if he's guilty, he's guilty, if not, he's not. I really don't care about him much - there are bigger criminals at loose today. When was the last time an arms dealer got arrested?
"Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
Expand Edited by inthane-chan Feb. 17, 2005, 10:40:02 AM EST
New why should arms dealers be arrested? Puzzled
"I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of fucking al Cracker sayeth Chris Rock
New Criminals in my mind.
Selling arms to boths sides of a conflict.
Selling arms to dictators of countries that really need economic development more than military development.
Sparking wars where there weren't any.

Etc.
"Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
New Trying to get the entire US regime locked up?
Selling arms to boths sides of a conflict.
Selling arms to dictators of countries that really need economic development more than military development.
Sparking wars where there weren't any.


Which one ISN'T done by the US?
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New selling credit cards SUV's timeshares drugs no different
"I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of fucking al Cracker sayeth Chris Rock
New Quite a few of those rank as criminals in my book.
New There are no 'criminal activities' in Capitalism du jour.
(only un-Taxed drugs get you jailed for 40 years). If there's profit in a transaction, it's OK. We'll make it OK in a trice, if it happened to start out being Illegal - but someone else is making $$ at it.

Or, per one daleross, (Billy Shill) from forums long ago:

"If it's legal it's ethical"

Yup, He Said That (and tried to defend it.. effetely, of course)



We Know what We Are and what Our Price is..
     an accused molester, a molestee, a gag - (daemon) - (42)
         Ah: first the verdict, then the trial. How Murican. -NT - (Ashton) - (40)
             Oh, come on! The how-manieth murky mess around mr Jackson... - (CRConrad) - (39)
                 Screw the Majority Rulez - (Ashton) - (38)
                     There is a difference between giving someone... - (CRConrad) - (36)
                         ObLRPD: We were all touched by him. -NT - (Another Scott) - (6)
                             You're going to the bad place. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                 It is generally inadvisable to eject directly ... - (admin) - (4)
                                     Wow ... context *does* make all the difference -NT - (drewk) - (3)
                                         LRPD sez: Possibly. - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                             ObCounterpoint: "Believed by many to be an idiot." (savant?) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 It's like an alien game of "keep-away." -NT - (admin)
                         OK, I'm convinced (of the last) - (Ashton) - (28)
                             FWIW - (drewk) - (27)
                                 I think you've correctly refined that 'limit' of Dumbth - (Ashton) - (9)
                                     Meat Meat MEAT!!!! - (broomberg) - (8)
                                         Probably he will be - (Ashton)
                                         Just a note. - (inthane-chan) - (6)
                                             why should arms dealers be arrested? Puzzled -NT - (daemon) - (5)
                                                 Criminals in my mind. - (inthane-chan) - (4)
                                                     Trying to get the entire US regime locked up? - (jbrabeck)
                                                     selling credit cards SUV's timeshares drugs no different -NT - (daemon) - (2)
                                                         Quite a few of those rank as criminals in my book. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                             There are no 'criminal activities' in Capitalism du jour. - (Ashton)
                                 Well, as far as I'm concerned . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (16)
                                     Wanna run for President? - (Ashton)
                                     Wow! - (bionerd) - (14)
                                         You're wrong about something there - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                                             Agreed. - (inthane-chan)
                                             Question. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                 That was my point - (bionerd) - (1)
                                                     Self-fulfilling prophecy? - (ben_tilly)
                                                 I don't know the answer to that - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                     Just wanted to point out... - (inthane-chan)
                                         Part of the trauma is because trauma is expected. - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                                             I thought about that, too. - (bionerd) - (5)
                                                 Furthermore there was less sex than is believed - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                     look at the british upper class for an example -NT - (daemon) - (2)
                                                         Is that why a gay couple I used to know . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                             exactemundo -NT - (daemon)
                                                 Re: I thought about that, too. - (Ashton)
                     well lets put it this way - (daemon)
         My one and only comment on MJ - (Silverlock)

Damn thing ate it's way out of the box it was in and lived in my closet for a month.
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