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Post #18,164
by brettj
11/13/01 9:18:05 PM
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New Maybe that's the real question? Who needs forgiveness more?
I say the forgiver.
You appear to think the forgiver also?
(at least before the forgivee needs it)
Someone else will say that it is situation dependent.

Maybe it all depends on the disposition of the individuals involved?

So what do you really think? Who needs forgiveness?!
Post #18,169
by static
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11/13/01 9:42:31 PM
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New I think that is situational.
To put it another way: If I steal something from you as a result of a trust you had placed in me, then I need your forgiveness if I am to have that trust again. But you need to forgive if you want any benefits of giving me that trust. Now, if I do something against some random person whom I've never met before and am unlikely to encounter again - then I have little use for their forgiveness. But their forgiveness will enable them to enter the same situation with another stranger that I abused.

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
     Thoughts on forgiveness? - (Another Scott) - (45) - Nov. 7, 2001, 02:08:44 PM EST
         Forgiveness vs restitution - (Brandioch) - Nov. 7, 2001, 04:05:25 PM EST
         Forgiveness is wonderful; just get even first :) -NT - (hnick) - Nov. 7, 2001, 05:29:49 PM EST
         Not a false distinction, but is it a worthwhile one? ;) - (tseliot) - (10) - Nov. 7, 2001, 07:38:15 PM EST
             Yes, I wasn't thinking of legal issues. - (Another Scott) - (9) - Nov. 9, 2001, 05:16:20 PM EST
                 Not a question of punishment, but of power imbalance - (tseliot) - (8) - Nov. 13, 2001, 04:06:29 PM EST
                     Interesting historical context. Thanks. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 13, 2001, 05:35:15 PM EST
                     Heh.. agonistic as in - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 13, 2001, 08:30:24 PM EST
                         Honor - (tseliot) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2001, 01:09:24 PM EST
                             Ah.. said well enough that - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:19:07 PM EST
                     Re: Sincerity & Forgiveness - (brettj) - (3) - Nov. 13, 2001, 09:32:31 PM EST
                         Value to me? or to our imaginary 1st-century folk? - (tseliot) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2001, 01:28:46 PM EST
                             Fascinating - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2001, 03:11:15 PM EST
                                 Great! I don't mind disagreement... - (tseliot) - Nov. 14, 2001, 04:35:04 PM EST
         Forgiveness is divine. - (brettj) - Nov. 7, 2001, 07:40:57 PM EST
         A possible distinction. - (Ashton) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2001, 08:14:11 PM EST
             reminds me an irish elephant - (boxley) - Nov. 7, 2001, 09:54:29 PM EST
         The best example of how I think about forgiveness - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 7, 2001, 09:53:14 PM EST
             Thanks. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 9, 2001, 05:30:28 PM EST
         I don't hold with forgiveness - (ben_tilly) - (20) - Nov. 9, 2001, 02:24:55 PM EST
             Clartification... - (ChrisR) - (14) - Nov. 9, 2001, 02:58:57 PM EST
                 All of the above - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Nov. 9, 2001, 03:57:24 PM EST
                     Cheese! whats yer thoughts on TP up or down? :) -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 9, 2001, 04:09:24 PM EST
                         You really want to know? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 9, 2001, 04:31:22 PM EST
                             Well small chirrun have the same effect - (boxley) - Nov. 9, 2001, 05:12:10 PM EST
                     Not assigning fault and the relation to forgiveness. - (brettj) - (9) - Nov. 10, 2001, 09:39:32 AM EST
                         I think you missed my point - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Nov. 10, 2001, 01:50:57 PM EST
                             Re: I think you missed my point - (brettj) - (7) - Nov. 10, 2001, 08:17:35 PM EST
                                 Um, not quite - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Nov. 10, 2001, 08:59:56 PM EST
                                     Life is sorta like an onion - (brettj) - (5) - Nov. 10, 2001, 09:45:55 PM EST
                                         I am mixed on the Asimov quote - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2001, 04:05:24 PM EST
                                             Karma? - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 11, 2001, 05:09:50 PM EST
                                                 Which type of karma? - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2001, 08:18:57 PM EST
                                                     Between the two, the latter. - (Ashton) - Nov. 12, 2001, 05:39:14 AM EST
                                             Just being aware of the question is worthwhile. - (brettj) - Nov. 13, 2001, 09:10:16 PM EST
             Thanks. And a little story. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Nov. 9, 2001, 03:19:03 PM EST
                 To a woman yes - (boxley) - Nov. 9, 2001, 04:12:25 PM EST
                 Put it this way... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 9, 2001, 05:11:48 PM EST
                     Thanks. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 9, 2001, 05:08:29 PM EST
                     Thanks for some lucid prose. - (Ashton) - Nov. 9, 2001, 07:53:52 PM EST
         Compassionate feelings that support a willingness to forgive - (brettj) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2001, 07:40:46 AM EST
             Another incentive for developing that - (Ashton) - Nov. 11, 2001, 03:28:45 PM EST
             Yes, that occurred to me, too. - (static) - (2) - Nov. 12, 2001, 10:18:09 PM EST
                 Maybe that's the real question? Who needs forgiveness more? - (brettj) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2001, 09:18:05 PM EST
                     I think that is situational. - (static) - Nov. 13, 2001, 09:42:31 PM EST
         My thoughts - (orion) - Nov. 17, 2001, 01:33:40 PM EST

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