Post #171,994
8/31/04 3:22:49 PM
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linux instal via network?
sans cdrom writer or floppy drive. I know, get a cdrom, I dont want to wait. Debian requires a cdrom/writer or a floppy drive.
thanx,
bill
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Post #171,995
8/31/04 3:27:14 PM
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Re: linux instal via network?
Typically (I assume Debian is typical)
1. Download boot/root and driver diskette images
2. dd (or equivalent Windows tool) to floppies
3. Boot off boot/root, which initializes a RAM disk
4. When prompted, insert driver disks if needed
5. Redirect the install to an ftp or http mirror once network is going
-drl
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Post #171,997
8/31/04 3:34:12 PM
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Go back to step 0. "no floppy". :-)
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Post #171,998
8/31/04 3:39:33 PM
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Was just informing him etc.
I was trying to brainstorm a way to dump the images to a HD partition and use a bootloader to do it...OK Box, get a diskette or yer on yer own.
-drl
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Post #172,001
8/31/04 3:57:12 PM
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Floppies are going the way of the Dodo
Many, if not most, of the systems being sold today are "legacy free" which is a euphemism for no floppies, serial or parallel ports.
Of course, you can get a usb floppy, "for a generous fee", to quote Curtis Mayfield...
jb4
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Post #172,007
8/31/04 4:09:12 PM
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Can you try a USB memory stick as a drive?
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Post #172,041
8/31/04 6:00:14 PM
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My irix boxes died and I hate using mockingbird putty et al
so scored an old 200 megahutz pentium with 256k ram around the office. I wont spend a dime, so I wait for a disk, boss is back next week, he has a redhat cd around somewhere, would prefer to try debian.
thanx,
bill
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
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Post #172,060
8/31/04 7:52:51 PM
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Considering what we've just been discussing...
My first thought was: is there a way to boot a floppy-disk image via a netboot? Maybe the LTSP people would have some ideas about how to make this simple.
Wade.
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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
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Post #172,095
8/31/04 11:12:26 PM
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No it doesn't require floppy/cdrom
All that is required is a machine that can serve tftp/pxe(windows can do this) and a NIC that supports it too.
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Post #172,096
8/31/04 11:16:09 PM
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Re: No it doesn't require floppy/cdrom
Yep, been so long since I've seen a net bootable NIC that I forgot about it!
-drl
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Post #172,124
9/1/04 1:48:34 AM
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Er
Like every NIC for the past five or six years?
Peter
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Post #172,175
9/1/04 9:44:51 AM
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hehehehe... he said...
Like every NIC for the past five or six years? Um... cheeyeah! Like Duh! Totally! -- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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Post #172,187
9/1/04 10:59:57 AM
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Forgive my ignorance
but doesn't the bios have to support booting from the network?
Not all bios supports that - particularly older ones..
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Post #172,188
9/1/04 11:13:16 AM
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Re: Forgive my ignorance
Not for nothing, but I haven't seen a NIC with the boot prom installed since the early 90s, and that was token ring.
I suppose Greg is saying in his typically supercilious computer-spork-god way that all modern NICs have'em already installed (for what? one asks, since booting from the network is sort of a rare need today).
-drl
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Post #172,302
9/1/04 10:04:28 PM
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Nope PXE is really needed now a days...
Many large entrerprises and many larger companies use PXE to update machines during off hours.
If the machine is on... they force it to reboot... otherwise they wake with a wake-on-lan packet. The PXE then requests... a small execution environment checks to see what is scheduled to do and if nothing, goes back to sleep. If things need to be done... well it does em.
Novell uses a small linux partition to do all the work along with a Multicast server for LARGE re-imaging tasks. They then use NAL (Novell Application Imager/Launcher) now just called Application Launcher.
MS uses... err well, SMS (Still???) and automated self installs. Except usually MS has to have bootable media in a drive to make it work.
There are *MANY* other reasons to have a Network Boot as well. thin/diskless clients (making a comeback in companies)
So, maybe you should stop with the sarcasm and overall pessimism... I was making fun of Petre.
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Post #172,308
9/1/04 10:24:05 PM
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good point, sorry
-drl
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Post #172,285
9/1/04 7:52:59 PM
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Not necessarily.
The old ISA spec allowed for cards to provide a BIOS of their own that could be run at one of several different points in the motherboard's startup. That's how boot PROMs work, BTW. The PCI spec also provides for this.
A lot of integrated LAN cards support net boot because the BIOS knows about them anyway. But I've recently seen ethernet cards that support a PXE environment without help from the BIOS. And you couldn't really tell by looking at the cards anyway, as there's no PROM socket at all. But there's obviously some there when you watch them start up.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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