Post #168,851
8/12/04 5:46:47 AM
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Hello and welcome to IWhingeThey
Sheesh, if that's the worst of your troubles then everything else must be extra peachy, and that's wonderful to hear!
Otherwise, just enlist yourself in some kind of 12-step 'Suffering the unbearable imposition of having to endure a whole one (count 'em!) extra painfully arduous mouseclick' program, take a deep breath, and learn to cope.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #168,852
8/12/04 6:08:29 AM
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Re: Hello and welcome to IWhingeThey
No taste. QED.
Either you care, or you don't. I care. You don't.
It's not a matter of function directly - it's a matter of aesthetics and good judgment. It's all the more perplexing given the brilliance of the author.
Of course I'm totally used to this in physics, where the ugliest, most ridiculous propositions are taken seriously. That doesn't make it any easier to understand why the most brilliant people fall into the most obvious errors. In the present case, the "feature" is so instantly hideous that it amazes me ANYONE even wanted such a thing. And then it was actually implemented!
The smart people have a certain responsibility to hone their judgment. It doesn't come for free - or does it?
-drl
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Post #168,853
8/12/04 7:02:36 AM
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Forgive me Sir, I forgot I was one of the stupid. I bow,etc.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #168,854
8/12/04 7:03:57 AM
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You like Windows 95.
STFU about having no taste.
Peter
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Post #168,885
8/12/04 11:02:29 AM
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pwned.
WANTED: Precognitive Telepath for adventuring Partnership. You know where to apply.
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Post #168,934
8/12/04 3:14:18 PM
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Years ago
You were right about Windows 2000, best of a sorry lot.
I had valid reasons for liking Windows 95 in the old days. Windows NT was a disaster, Windows 98.1 was worse. I admired the skill involved in maintaining backward compatibility with a large body of software written for the sorriest OS ever. In contrast there was no skill at all exhibited in Windows NT.
All in all, OS/2 was the best PC OS ever, in pure tech terms - given the limitations of the target platform.
-drl
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Post #168,943
8/12/04 3:27:36 PM
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You Talk Toss.
You're wittering on about The Best OS For The Platform, and VMS doesn't even cross your radar.
Sigh.
Stick to the physics.
Peter
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Post #168,944
8/12/04 3:29:20 PM
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Re: You Talk Toss.
Doens't run on PCs, P. Otherwise I'd agree, for outright trouble-freeness.
-drl
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Post #168,947
8/12/04 3:32:19 PM
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OS/2's CONFIG.SYS gives the lie to that.
Big pile of crufty wank. And the interface is arse. And there's no apps. And it's dead.
But other than that, it's PERFICK.
Peter
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Post #168,952
8/12/04 3:41:24 PM
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Re: OS/2's CONFIG.SYS gives the lie to that.
At any given time it would have been easy to make a decent-looking interface, and the mechanics of the existing one were infinitely better than Windows. But it's the kernel that was the real gem - hand-crafted x86 assembler. An amazing tech feat.
What was wrong with CONFIG.SYS other than length?
-drl
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Post #168,973
8/12/04 5:02:46 PM
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If it was easy, why didn't IBM bother to do so?
Peter
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Post #169,460
8/16/04 9:18:26 AM
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Graphical CONFIG.SYS Editor
Back in my OS/2 days I wrote one. It only got to be about 60% done. Figuring out the container control was the toughest part and even then I still wasn't 100% on it. Most of the statements in CONFIG.SYS had a dialog box control in a tabbed window I think. Pretty slick. Anything it didn't recognize got relegated to an plain ol' edit box.
But it's days as a commercial desktop OS are long gone...
*sigh* It was great at the time to do some real multitasking on my 386SX-16/8MB (when 8MB was A LOT of memory) and later P90/16MB (that was still a lot of memory too.) Aside from some rough spots the interface was good at the time. I was really looking forward to OS/2-PPC... :-(
lister
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Post #168,954
8/12/04 3:43:16 PM
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Interface is beautiful, easy to use, and fast.
I'm neutral about config.sys -
but how many apps does VMS have, compared to OS/2?
How DEAD is OS/2 compared to VMS? In terms of hardware support? User base?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #168,971
8/12/04 5:00:31 PM
8/12/04 5:00:52 PM
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OS/2 is dead. Deader n' disco. Gone the way of the platform
shoe.
VMS is guaranteed support from HP through 2015. Lots of apps, although web browsers and office suites aren't really among them. That said, Moz is default browser :)
Runs on VAX, Alpha, and Itanium. Has been 64-bit clean for 15 years.
Runs Oracle. Scales like a scaly thing. Never falls over. Multi-user, multi-cpu, multi-computer. Manageable out the wazoo.
VMS is a billion-dollar business for HP.
OS/2's interface isn't beautiful. No. Sorry, it isn't. It's ugly. 1994-ugly. Scoop-my-eyes-out-with-a-spoon ugly. Even CDE is less revolting than [link|http://www.ecomstation.com/gallery/gal/eComStation_1.0/sample_desktop_screenshots/ecs2.jpg|this].
Peter
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Edited by pwhysall
Aug. 12, 2004, 05:00:52 PM EDT
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Post #168,974
8/12/04 5:03:34 PM
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ICLRPD
>>>>>>>>
Scales like a scaly thing
<<<<<<<<
--
"...was poorly, lugubrious and intoxicated."
-- Patrick O'Brian, "Master and Commander"
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Post #169,024
8/12/04 8:30:02 PM
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Not as long at there are mainframes
There is a console laptop connected to every mainframe.
Running OS/2.
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Post #169,153
8/13/04 10:09:27 AM
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I disagree
'Course, I sell it for part of my living, so perhaps I'm biased. Generally sales have been pretty good; they compare favourably with some estimates made in the past by companies that were formerly active in the OS/2 marketplace.
Finally, if you go perusing the various screenshots of the desktop available at ecomstation.com, you'll find that some are more pleasing than others, as they are user submitted and there's no accounting for taste as they say. On the technological front wrt visual appeal, I'd point out that the latest version includes the latest version of FreeType, and while not all of the system uses it yet, work is progressing on extending the new font engine to more parts of the system.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca] [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post #169,280
8/13/04 11:51:39 PM
8/13/04 11:52:52 PM
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You're wrestling with a pig, Jack.
Since he doesn't use it, it's shit. Don't you understand that by now? ;-)
And, yes Peter, I'm STILL using it.
Edited by n3jja
Aug. 13, 2004, 11:52:52 PM EDT
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Post #169,284
8/14/04 1:02:07 AM
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I'm still running an old Acorn box with RISCOS.
Doesn't mean it isn't dead.
Peter
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Post #169,310
8/14/04 9:40:14 AM
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*YAWN*
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Post #169,311
8/14/04 10:01:47 AM
8/14/04 10:02:33 AM
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YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Although, to be fair, I should point out that Amiga users are even easier to tweak than OS/2 users :)
Peter
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Edited by pwhysall
Aug. 14, 2004, 10:02:33 AM EDT
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Post #169,324
8/14/04 11:39:10 AM
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Oi! Lay off! How dare you! Amiga is...oh, heh, you're right!
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #169,341
8/14/04 6:55:51 PM
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WordStar 7 on CP/M on Otrona: FOREVER!____bloody heathens
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Post #169,345
8/14/04 7:19:10 PM
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forpro on fortunes, multiuser done right
"delayed incessantly by people whose prevalent qualification was an excess of free-time" Philip Atkinson
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Post #169,348
8/14/04 7:46:21 PM
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GEOS on C64 43v4R!
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Post #169,225
8/13/04 4:22:35 PM
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Are not (were not?) most ATMs OS/2 -- re obv stability.
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Post #169,233
8/13/04 4:34:47 PM
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The Diebold ATMs were . Now NT :-(
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Post #169,253
8/13/04 7:01:29 PM
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Not anymore
I've forgotten whether it was NCR or Dibold who shifted to Windows first, but I think they're both on Windows now for new ATMs. To their credit it wasn't their doing - bank managers insisted on Windows so they could "integrate" the ATM's with their other Windows systems.
Next time you see a "fuck you bagel" message on your ATM screen you'll know it's working hard as a Netsky or MyDoom spam relay and really doesn't have time to dispense any money for you. Please come back next week and try again. It's OK, all your money is in the Ukraine anyway.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #169,263
8/13/04 8:19:19 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #169262 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=169262|ICLRPD]
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Post #169,276
8/13/04 11:02:06 PM
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Were.
I watched an ATM bluescreen and reboot into NT 4 Workstation only the other week.
Peter
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