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New End of nation
If your sentiment is a prevalent one, this nation is done for. What's coming to replace it is hideous beyond imagination.

You know, suicide might be a sin for nations as well as people. I still have some hope that we can dpull back from the abiss of becoming a copy of fundamentalists _after_ defeating them. I have no hope of them becoming similar to us after their victory. Not in next 500 years.

New About pulling back from the abyss
That's what checks and balances are for. Both legal and cultural.

That's why our judicial branch is independent of the executive and legislative branches. And if they sell us down the river, there's civil disobdience, and something about the right of the peopel to overthrow the government.

And if that doesn't work, well, at least our culture went down fighting. And may rise again. But right now, we need to fight terrorists. We don't have a choice about that. We fight them, or they kill us, and our way of life goes away, its memory disgraced, so that it cannot rise again.

We've pulled back from abysses before. Slavery. The Great Depression. HUAC. The LBJ administration. We can probably do it again.

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Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
     This is disgusting - (cwbrenn) - (28)
         Wrong - (Arkadiy) - (21)
             I'm going to disagree for the block. - (addison) - (20)
                 Re: I'm going to disagree for the block. - (Arkadiy) - (14)
                     Yeah, don't worry about it. - (cwbrenn) - (2)
                         Sorry about that. - (cwbrenn)
                         No, it's not happening to me. - (Arkadiy)
                     What was the penalty for being gay in the military? - (boxley) - (2)
                         Huh? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                             I remember during the Breznev? era OT I know - (boxley)
                     Re: I'm going to disagree for the block. - (addison) - (7)
                         So far, FBI seems to have - (Arkadiy) - (6)
                             Re: So far, FBI seems to have - (addison) - (4)
                                 That is the fear of mine. - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                     If that's the choice we should disappear - (cwbrenn) - (2)
                                         End of nation - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                             About pulling back from the abyss - (marlowe)
                             How old are you? - (jb4)
                 Exactly. - (cwbrenn)
                 POWs - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                     Well... - (addison) - (2)
                         I good mullah might be a better approach - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                             Somehow I don't think that will make a difference. - (inthane-chan)
         If they try this on citizens... - (marlowe) - (3)
             Depends on the citizens.... - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 Re: Depends on the citizens.... - (addison)
                 Re: Depends on the citizens.... - (Arkadiy)
         This IS how It Begins, Kameraden - (Ashton) - (1)
             Dibs on the BAR, have ya got a tripod? -NT - (boxley)

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