Post #123,089
10/28/03 1:35:50 PM
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Re: H1B Shortage
Tancredo, a Repo from Colorado, has introduced a bill to repeal aspects of the H1B statutes:
[link|http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR02688:@@@L&summ2=m&|http://thomas.loc.go...688:@@@L&summ2=m&]
It's now in some subcommittee - is it buried under Hatch now? Can you interpret for me?
Also see
[link|http://www.h1b.info/|http://www.h1b.info/]
IEEE has been very vocally against H1B lately. Perhaps we should point our Congressors to the blatant, irritating and offensive propaganda on various Indian websites, where they basically state how much better than us they are.
-drl
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Post #123,093
10/28/03 2:12:12 PM
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H1B Shortage is an oxymoron
when unemployment in our industry is >10%.
Ross, as I understand the bill you xref'ed, the bill repeals the authority to issue H1B visas. If that's true, that would effectively set the quota for H1Bs to 0! Which is a Good Thing.
jb4
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Post #123,145
10/28/03 7:46:20 PM
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That still doesn't stop
L1 Visas, or Offshoring IT work. If firms can't get H1B Visa Workers they will create an office in another country, hire the talent and L1 Visa them here or create an IT sweatshop there.
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Post #123,284
10/29/03 1:27:28 PM
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True, but...
They also could hire Murican workers. Would be way cheaper than setting up that foreign shop just to keep from hiring Muricans.
However, to paraphrase, Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average Murican upper-level Manager...
jb4
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Post #123,358
10/29/03 9:24:37 PM
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Shouldn't that be
However, to paraphrase, Nobody ever went broke OVERestimating the intelligence of the average Murican upper-level Manager...
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Post #123,440
10/30/03 12:32:47 PM
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Uhhh...yeah...that's it...OVERESTIMATING...yeah...(blush!)
jb4
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Post #123,718
11/2/03 5:36:16 PM
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I disagree with that argument
If firms can't get H1B Visa Workers they will create an office in another country
That is not entirely true. Managers and users prefer face-to-face communication. It *is* tougher to communicate via e-mail and phone, especially when requirements are vague or constantly changing.
Many times I have prepared detailed emails, only the have the person walk over to my cubicle because they didn't want to read and comprehend the email. (I suppose you could blame it on my writing if you wanted to be a dickhead, but do you think most office workers and techies are good writers?)
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Post #123,850
11/3/03 1:12:42 PM
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I was speaking about the L1 Visa
they create an office in the other country, hire some people, apply them for L1 Visas and then send them over here and pay for their room and board.
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Post #123,107
10/28/03 3:42:40 PM
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Perpetuation of the status quo
The fact that there's a push on the other side probably means that the politicos will compromise by doing absolutely nothing - i.e. keep the quotas at the current level.
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Post #123,157
10/28/03 9:54:06 PM
8/21/07 5:44:52 AM
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In his own words
Transcript of his speech on the 7th - sounds like he gets it. [link|http://www.hireamericancitizens.org/tancredospeechh1b.html|http://www.hireameri...edospeechh1b.html]
H1B is a visa category that allows people to come into the United States, about 160,000 a year, by the way. And they can stay here for up to 6 years to work in jobs that, quote, "no one else will take." Jobs like computer programmer at some of the most prestigious companies in America in terms of technology. These really rotten jobs that no one else will take, computer programmer, analyst.
\ufffd We were told by the mavens of industry that in this particular arena, technology, that we could not hire enough people. They could not hire enough people, qualified people, here in the United States. So we had to grant H1B visa status to 165,000, at least, every single year. Let them stay for 6 years. So we now accumulated several million, 4 or 5 million people here in the United States on that status, H1B visa status.
\ufffd Now, unless it has escaped us, Mr. Speaker, and I do not believe it has, there has been a change in the economy over the last year. Starting with the last quarter of the Clinton administration, the economy has begun a slow but steady decent into what is now undeniably a recession. Yesterday, I believe it was, unemployment figures came out; and the figures were frighteningly high, higher than they have been in well over a decade. Especially frightening in the area of high-tech jobs where hundreds of thousands of people have been laid off.
\ufffd Mr. Speaker, in America today there are factually millions of people looking for work, people who can operate in this capacity as a computer programmer or whatever and people with various other skills who are looking for work.
\ufffd I suggest, Mr. Speaker, that it is time for us in this body to revisit the whole idea, the whole issue of H-1B, and I have, in fact, introduced a bill to abolish H-1B visas. I think, Mr. Speaker, we do not need them anymore. I do not think we needed them when we passed them. I think we did it as a favor to some large corporations in the United States because they could get people to come to the United States and work for less than they could hire an American worker to do the same job.
\ufffd And I say that with the recognition that there are people in the United States who I know today are unemployed and unemployed because an H-1B visa holder took his or her job, took a job that those people would be qualified for and would be doing except, of course, they asked for more money.
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Post #123,176
10/28/03 10:56:04 PM
8/21/07 5:45:43 AM
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I wrote him a thank you note
Dear Tom,
I'm not a Republican and I'm not sure why you are either as I don't see anything in common between you and that power hungry cadre of weasels and their Animal House reject leader in the White House.
I want to thank and applaud you for your stand on the H1B Visa issue. I am a software engineer skilled in a wide variety of technologies. I don't need training, I need a level playing field. I have been fairly and highly paid throughout my career. Except for this year. This year I'll be reporting about $20k to the IRS. I've exhausted my savings and am going to be tapping into my IRA to maintain my house payments.
My wife, a skilled software tester, has been unable to reenter the workforce since the birth of our daughter in 2001. Her inability has nothing to do with child care issues - she is simply not seeing the opportunities. As you so astutely note - there is no shortage of American technical talent. We are simply unable to compete on price with people who come from cultures with lower costs of living.
Thanks again. -Todd Blanchard
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Post #123,298
10/29/03 2:10:37 PM
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Good letter except
for the party slam at the beginning. That could cause the letter to end up in the "circular file".
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Post #123,299
10/29/03 2:18:42 PM
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Not in Colorado
That guy sounds like a Goldwater Republican, so he'll probably get a kick out of it.
[link|http://www.house.gov/tancredo/|http://www.house.gov/tancredo/]
His district is South Denver.
Notice that the first thing on his page is a popup question about pissing away 20 bil on lust in the dust.
-drl
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Post #123,304
10/29/03 2:38:54 PM
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I don't think that the lower cost is just a culture thing
I strongly suspect that a lot of it is the fact that the employer winds up in a very strong bargaining position with the employee. It's a case of, You do everything I say for whatever I say or you are kicked out of the country. Even if you are willing to be paid less, you aren't as easy to order around. (Of course the H1B workers are more likely to accept subpar wages.)
If the employers didn't have this bargaining advantage, I believe that employers would be less enthused about H1Bs.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #123,307
10/29/03 2:44:53 PM
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interesting point! never considered
-drl
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Post #123,386
10/30/03 3:24:32 AM
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As with prostitution and slavery,
Aren't you just describing another degree? Clearly, what a Full-'Libertarian' Employer (unfettered by all those stupid humane laws and such) wants is:
ownership of the commodity bodies.
It's just bizness; what's wrong with that?
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Post #123,441
10/30/03 12:37:18 PM
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Xactly. Human Resources, I want to OWN & USE them ALL!
bcnu,
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