Brown recluse spider bites

Post #113,276 by boxley 8/9/03 9:56:46 AM Reply	Brown recluse spider bites managed to score what maybe the above under my left armpit, having done some websearching, dont see a whole lot of alternative medicine ideas. The bite is supposed to turn necrotic tommorow (from descriptions) currently using a black tea potice, no alder leaves around here but would welcome suggestions. Diag is a guess but it is a bug bite of some kind and rather nasty in size. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,278 by broomberg 8/9/03 10:17:34 AM Reply	Very iffy Brown recluse bites are a fallback when the Dr. is clueless. Sorry, ro real help for it from me. Just please keep a close eye and if it seems to get worse go to the hospital. The Dr. really does not know, which means you possible have a progressive infected puncture wound near your lungs. Not trivial.
Post #113,279 by Another Scott 8/9/03 10:17:54 AM Reply	Um, get thee to a walk-in clinic is my suggestion. Don't risk serious injury. Have someone else look at it. Best of luck! Cheers, Scott.
Post #113,280 by SpiceWare 8/9/03 10:21:31 AM Reply	ditto a friend of mine was bit by one on his leg and he ended up in the hospital for a week. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass\|Artistic Overpass]\n[link\|http://www.spiceware.org/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #113,281 by deSitter 8/9/03 10:44:42 AM Reply	Re: Brown recluse spider bites What were you doing? Generally one gets one of those from rummaging around in a garage or attic - in general you don't even notice the bite until the venom takes effect - an extremely powerful toxin that will leave you with a suppurating "volcano" around the bite. Don't think there is any specific treatment other than hyperbaric oxygen to speed healing of the necrotic area. -drl
Post #113,284 by pwhysall 8/9/03 11:01:22 AM Reply	Boiling oil? Seriously, is cauterization a useful treatment? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #113,287 by deSitter 8/9/03 11:04:25 AM Reply	Re: Boiling oil? No, because the issue is - the surrounding tissue is infused with a necrotic agent and will not heal. Sometimes the entire volcano has to be surgically excised, leaving the victim with a nice divot as a souvenir. -drl
Post #113,286 by a6l6e6x 8/9/03 11:03:54 AM Reply	Bite site look like these pictures? [link\|http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic547.htm#target1\|Pictures]. Not that I know anything about this other than we have the brown recluse spider in the area. Alex A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
Post #113,295 by boxley 8/9/03 11:39:30 AM Reply	looks the same except for the pussy white spot in the middle, didnt have that. Sank a needle into the center but no gusher arrived. Will watch for gengrene, no health insurance so a walkin clinic is out of the question. Received the bite in bed as that is the only time in the last couple of days I have been shirtless. The treatment seems all over the map, have a boat load of 500 meg amox I might try as antibiotics are givn at times. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,296 by deSitter 8/9/03 12:08:50 PM 8/9/03 12:15:45 PM Reply	Re: looks the same except for the pussy white spot Recluse spiders (loxosceles) don't seem to be a major issue in Florida, but you have this nasty looking bastard: [link\|http://woodypest.ifas.ufl.edu/brwidow.htm\|http://woodypest.ifa...l.edu/brwidow.htm] The Brown Widow (latrodectus). Also check out [link\|http://doacs.state.fl.us/~pi/enpp/ento/venomousspiders.htm\|http://doacs.state.f...nomousspiders.htm] (Possibly relevant - Chilean recluse in Winter Haven - about 60mi east of you..[link\|http://www.doacs.state.fl.us/%7Epi/enpp/ento/loxoscel.html\|http://www.doacs.sta...nto/loxoscel.html]) -drl Edited by deSitter Aug. 9, 2003, 12:15:45 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #113,297 by Another Scott 8/9/03 12:11:27 PM Reply	You've got other options besides waiting. I'd suspect there's a free clinic in the area. Many of the walk-in clinics take credit cards. If you can't go that route, hospitals have to treat emergency cases. Call 911 if you have to. Don't wait until it's hideous before getting treatment. Best of luck! Cheers, Scott.
Post #113,298 by a6l6e6x 8/9/03 12:16:23 PM Reply	Sorry to hear that! I was hoping you'd say yours looked different. Other symptoms? o Fever o Chills o Nausea o Vomiting o Joint pain Alex A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
Post #113,299 by deSitter 8/9/03 12:18:26 PM Reply	Re: Sorry to hear that! Those can be caused by age and beer, both of which are known to affect the Boxer :) -drl
Post #113,301 by boxley 8/9/03 1:03:13 PM Reply	not yet, although treating agressivly have a moonshine poultice on now, lucky I didnt finish that mason jar, wife is out looking for epsom salts am starting 500 mil amox series 3* daily. If I can hold out til monday a reduced fee clinic is available otherwise to stick my head in the door of the emergency room is $240 plus doc fees and supplies. Will go only if it spreads beyond the arm. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,311 by a6l6e6x 8/9/03 2:12:04 PM Reply	Well, I'll cross my fingers for ya! Alex Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's? -- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Post #113,315 by deSitter 8/9/03 2:35:06 PM Reply	Re: not yet, although treating agressivly I've got a leftover Spiderman outfit if you need it :) Mabye you'll land a job doing WebX. -drl
Post #113,329 by Ashton 8/9/03 4:19:23 PM Reply	Lateral.. Know any vets? Might get some cluefulness by asking "what do you guys do for ~ (probable) spider bites?" Veterinary training IS more intensive and varied than for AMA-type folks (Much harder to get into vet school than the MD conveyor belt). Thay are also (and especially, lately) more apt to have looked intelligently at the alternatives -- and to actually have Seen what they Looked at. Y'know? this opinion via a friend who couldn't quite get in.. to a vet school, though she Really wanted to and studied her ass off; great academic records etc. - had to settle for becoming merely a dermatologist, specializing in skin diseases of the rich. Yawn. (We don't talk much of late; she's beginning to Sound like an AMA-MD, and has become a Mondo-consumer of the perks; brain-rot has set in. I predict Golf ere long..) Luck, Ashton
Post #113,337 by boxley 8/9/03 6:20:09 PM Reply	good thought but not around here. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,362 by tuberculosis 8/9/03 10:26:53 PM 8/21/07 12:43:58 PM Reply	Had a friend get bit in bed - on the leg. Laid him in the hospital for a week - left him with an ugly looking divot in his shin. Flesh simply rots rather than heals. This was in the Chicago area and it was in a seldom used dorm room. Not likely to find the recluse in a regularly used area as they don't like company. Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations. --AndyBower Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:43:58 PM EDT Expand All History
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Post #113,336 by boxley 8/9/03 6:18:12 PM Reply	appreciate the thought its a question of whether I can successfuly self treat, safely until it gets better or worse. that goes for both language and bites :-) Remember I have had a smattering of medical knowledge in the way of general circulation, infections and wounds. Not to claim I am a doc, nurse PA or bedpan changer but enough to determine danger to this particular organism. If I can last till monday, great. If I need to I will go to the emergency room and pay later. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,381 by boxley 8/10/03 11:35:16 AM Reply	It appears to not be a recluse bite after treating it with various poltices it appears the swelling in the surrounding tissues is gone, what is left is a pingpong sized nodule angry red knot, no postule, figure another day or so it we go away. thanx for all the suggestions, Bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,384 by a6l6e6x 8/10/03 12:08:18 PM Reply	Good news! Dodged the bullet, again! :) Alex "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
Post #113,396 by Ashton 8/10/03 4:02:31 PM Reply	Re: It appears to not be a recluse bite Well, nodules under arms, groin? Got dogs? fleas? er Bubos? :( :( (I knew the Tick Lady - whose thesis was about trackin the plague-infested squirrels in Sierra Nevada, a few years back. Yup.. it never.. quite.. Goes Away) Slim Odds but - don't 'go to sleep' on the bizarre chance, OK? Dunno what the gestation period is, Worth a Look? Ashton
Post #113,402 by boxley 8/10/03 5:08:24 PM Reply	point taken questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,414 by broomberg 8/10/03 8:59:27 PM Reply	Only you would go for the plague.
Post #113,435 by Ashton 8/11/03 6:07:56 AM Reply	Maybe - seen the pix of the dead squirrels taken by Tick Lady. Reminded me, in late '80s that it Isn't unthinkable - just improbable, depending on your outdoor habits (and the carriers'). And BTW - treatable! IF not ignored past a certain stage. :-) (Bubo - not quite as awful a word as Shrub, when thinking of grave toxicity)
Post #113,436 by broomberg 8/11/03 6:25:15 AM Reply	Hmm And Box is an outdoorsy type of guy.
Post #113,498 by boxley 8/11/03 5:41:50 PM Reply	not lately, but there is a boatload of fleabitten squirrels around here, subcutaneus anthrax has a similar syptom, however I will say it is a bug bite of "some" kind. and a neighbor here was treating for brown recluse 2 weeks ago, when the puss spot didnt show in 25 hrs assumed it was something else. The main concern is so near the lymph nodes as Ashton pointed out. A repeat or any other symptoms will make a trip to the doc mandatory just in case it is infectious. thanx, bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,739 by Ashton 8/13/03 6:45:13 PM Reply	So then how goes the eruption? (Ya prolly poisoned the critter 18 seconds later, y'know? :( Box.. Cruel to unarmed ~~Taxmen..Texans~~ er Toxins!
Post #113,755 by boxley 8/13/03 9:10:09 PM Reply	no eruption, ping pong size growing softer and smaller. thanx, bill America, Love it or give it back questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #113,768 by Andrew Grygus 8/13/03 11:27:25 PM Reply	What?! You mean we're going to be deprived of a touching memorial thread where all Boxley's enemies declare what a basically great guy he was despite his glaring faults? Shit - I'm going to have to come up with some other excuse for breaking out the single malt? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #113,783 by drewk 8/14/03 8:09:12 AM Reply	You are so full of it Since when have you ever waited for an excuse to break out the single malt? === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.

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