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New Re: zIWE forum software was selected to a purpose -
that of facilitating communication between adults, on a variety of topics (hence the separate forums). It even works on Lynx - a text-only reader which can be run from DOS and maybe a few other OSs.


I believe you might be confusing as 'features' - the prettifying stuff of one's chosen reading environment: wallpaper, wrappers er 'skins' and the like.


Oh no, I know the difference. :) By features, I didn't mean anything like that, I meant ASCII, which was a DOS based thing used on most old BBS's (Bulletin Board Systems), and it didn't have anything to do with graphics, only with facilliating communication between adults just like this board.

It was also run from DOS, using Telix or some other terminal program, and was pretty much all text except for ASCII graphics (explained below better, I hope). I first accessed it using a Toshiba 8088 Laptop computer that ran nothing but DOS. :)

The features I meant were things like having multiple chat rooms, (all text), in-board E-mail ability, etc... and I wasn't complaining, I just said I was spoiled to it.

It also used ASCII at times to make "pictures" i.e. build pictures out of the old IBM border characters... (Help me, Orion... I don't know how to explain this!) It wasn't about being pretty whatsoever.

Actually these have not much to do with communication of text, and most-all of the features which Scott has provided here - are about simply, getting the display into a form you prefer, for reading that which you decided might be worth reading. It's fast - partly because of such good planning and because of the expertise of Greg Folkert - who now hosts the whole schmeer, right-shifts and all. And of course - there are NO ADS. That's (just part of) why Things Just Work.


Exactly, and that's why I like Scott's board, it doesn't worry about the "wallpapers" or "pictures" just the cool headings and buttons and things of necessity to facilitate the posting in the forums, etc. Affinity didn't have any ads either, and was as fast as your modem allowed for. I still use a dial-up modem, a external US Robotics V.92. :)

Also, 'dial-up' modems are not a pregnant means for displays of cute graphics and such (which is why - courtesy suggests that - if you plan to include a graphic within a post via [<src-yada>] it's nice to warn in the Title that you have done so, w/ est. size.) Generally "bandwidth eaters" are thus.. mostly unwelcome - and why links are fine, because you have a Choice. (Always there are exceptions, natch - when something just Fits..)


To my knowledge, I have only ever put two pictures in, and that was when I was "proving" myself here. :) I know diddly squat about pictures, and even less about putting the link into the post... although I did learn if I typed out the URL it becomes a link, right?

I'm not sure how you confused my post to have anything to do with graphics, wallpapers, or any other windows type thing, because I was talking mostly about Affinity, I thought, which was the DOS based one. :)

Anyway, hope I clarified it :)

Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"

Comment by Nightowl
New ANSI art
Back before the web, there was ANSI art. Using character sets to create pictures and coloring them with ANSI or VT-100 codes. DOS used ANSI.SYS to use those codes, or a terminal program like Telix, Procomm, Qmodem, etc displayed them. They made pictures out of it, it is now a lost art.

ANSI art was primative, but could be viewed at lower baud rates.

I found this website which explains it and shows examples:
[link|http://ansiart.org.ua/index.php|http://ansiart.org.ua/index.php]

New Re: ANSI art
Thank you Orion!!!!!

That was what I didn't know how to say, and John was too tired to explain right now!

Here is another site for a funny partial Star Wars in ASCII mode:

"Big Star Wars fan? Got a few minutes to spare? Try a telnet to
towel.blinkenlights.nl !

Yep, that's how we viewed the computer world before this web thingie
came along!"

Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"

Comment by Nightowl
New Not a lost art...
...at least, the developers of BitchX don't think so.

Google away!


Peter
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New same idea as antialiasing
-drl
New PETSCII movies
Commodore's version of ASCII was called PETSCII. It included cursor as color control characters. Quite a number of BBSes had "movies" that were done using PETSCII.

- googling - ah, they were called C/G movies - scroll down to the section labeled Commodore Color/Graphics 'Movies' Disk Pack on [link|http://www.portcommodore.com/commodore/files/bbsfiles.html|this site] for a couple disk images for use with an emulator.

One of the last changes I made to my BBS software was to add support ANSI translation PETSCII cursor and color codes. It worked well, though it was noticably slower when sending ANSI than PETSCII. A single PETSCII control character would translate to multiple characters in ANSI.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New ATASCII
Atari had their own codes for BBSes and etc. I wrote a C64 Terminal that used ATASCII to allow a C64 to do the ATASCII cursor codes and etc. You needed a special font to see the Atari block characters the way they did. It was a modification of the BASIC Terminal that came with the VicMODEM.

Of course the Atari users didn't like the fact that I could view and log into their BBSes using ATASCII on a C64, so I eventually dropped it.
New same here
My BBS software worked with my term program for music/joystick/sprites and so on. One of my buddies had an Atari BBS so i added ATASCII support. When I lived in Corpus Christi there were only a few BBSes online(mine was the 4th to go up) so everybody called them all. When I moved to Houston in the late 80s there were so many that they segretated. I called a few Atari BBSes in Houston but they were not pleased when they found out I was calling on a Commodore.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Platform Wars
Yes usually the Atari and Commodore users didn't get along very well. Competing platforms. The Atari had more colors and a more advanced BASIC, but the Commodore had more tricks to it and an add-on Simon's BASIC. I remember a local group, The Wacko Cracko Brothers, modified C64s, they added more RAM, and updated the ROM to use a more advanced BASIC and RAM switching abilities to use 64K banks of RAM.

I also remember modifying a few "Compute!" games for the C64, so that Balloon Blitz became Klingon Blitz and I turned the Balloon into a Klingon Bird of Prey.
New Re: ANSI art
For those who have fond memories of ANSI art, I've put together a DVD called "Dark Domain: the artpacks.acid.org collection" which is packed full of ANSI, ASCII and RIPscrip graphics dating back to the late 80's current up to 2003. Yes, that's 4.2 gigabytes of ANSI...

The URL for the ANSI art DVD is [link|http://www.darkdomain.org/|http://www.darkdomain.org/]

Sadly, there is very little in the way of Commodore C/G animated movies or still-screen PETSCII art to be found. A google search usually results in people seeking them out and never finding them. So I've started what is presently a modest collection of CG textmode art, approximately 70 pieces so far. If anyone is interested in a copy or contributing to the collection just drop me a line...
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New notSPAM*notSPAM*notSPAM*notSPAM
Yes. I'll still have an order of SPAM, Eggs, Sausage and SPAM.
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Expand Edited by folkert May 10, 2004, 04:46:47 PM EDT
New No, not really...
Sure, he's selling a DVD, but he also directly addressed the PETSCII movies as well. SPAM is never this apropos.

From the guidelines:
In other words, if a question comes up and you sell a product that solves the problem, post it. Do not, however, simply spam the forums with off-topic advertisements, relevant to computers or not.


Watch the hair-trigger there, Tex. ;-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Warning, abuse of HTML
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For the pedantic, ASCII is actually the standard character to number encoding used on most older systems. It was originally designed for teletype systems, which is why "ring bell" appears as a character. It was ANSI.SYS that let you play the games with colors and such.

Jay
New Re: Warning, abuse of HTML
Awesome, Jay!!!!

Yep, that's exactly what it looked like!!!

Thanks! ;) That's so much better than an explanation!

Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"

Comment by Nightowl
New For the really pedantic... :)
early teletypes did not use ASCII but a 5 level (i.e. 5 bit) [link|http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code|Baudot and the improved Murray code]. Donald Murray got screwed out of the fame for his contribution because the name Baudot code continued to be used.
The term "baud" (a measure of symbols transmitted per second) is named after [link|http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile_Baudot|Emile Baudot].
Alex

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
New Nit
I guess this requires the definition of "symbol". Most people, me included, would think "byte" and be sorely mistaken
--

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New Yep, "symbol" is a poor choice for the definition.
[link|http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci211643,00.html|Baudy bit.] :)
Baud was the prevalent measure for data transmission speed until replaced by a more accurate term, bps (bits per second). One baud is one electronic state change per second. Since a single state change can involve more than a single bit of data, the bps unit of measurement has replaced it as a better expression of data transmission speed.
Alex

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
New And for the really, really pedantic...
...ASCII stands for American Standard Code For Information Interchange, and in its original form was a 7-bit code.


Peter
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New Yep, and on teletype 8th bit was a parity bit.
Alex

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
New Re: And for the really, really pedantic...
...ASCII stands for American Standard Code For Information Interchange, and in its original form was a 7-bit code.


Heheeh, I knew that part! I don't know all the other techno-details, but I knew that! :)

Believe it or not, my 8088 laptop where I first discovered this plus my 8088 computer both still run. :) Of course, I don't use them much! LOL!

Nightowl >8#

"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"

Comment by Nightowl
     Re: On Features. - (Nightowl) - (24)
         zIWE forum software was selected to a purpose - - (Ashton) - (20)
             Re: zIWE forum software was selected to a purpose - - (Nightowl) - (19)
                 ANSI art - (orion) - (10)
                     Re: ANSI art - (Nightowl)
                     Not a lost art... - (pwhysall)
                     same idea as antialiasing -NT - (deSitter)
                     PETSCII movies - (SpiceWare) - (3)
                         ATASCII - (orion) - (2)
                             same here - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                                 Platform Wars - (orion)
                     Re: ANSI art - (radman) - (2)
                         notSPAM*notSPAM*notSPAM*notSPAM - (folkert) - (1)
                             No, not really... - (admin)
                 Warning, abuse of HTML - (JayMehaffey) - (7)
                     Re: Warning, abuse of HTML - (Nightowl)
                     For the really pedantic... :) - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                         Nit - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                             Yep, "symbol" is a poor choice for the definition. - (a6l6e6x)
                         And for the really, really pedantic... - (pwhysall) - (2)
                             Yep, and on teletype 8th bit was a parity bit. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                             Re: And for the really, really pedantic... - (Nightowl)
         DLX BBS - (orion)
         BBS mates - (orion)
         Most BBSes are Telnetable now - (orion)

Coding all day leaves you in a state of mild aphasia as you look at people's faces while they're speaking and you don't know they've finished because there's no semicolon.
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