Post #108,777
7/9/03 12:22:25 AM
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It's not a bad model
I have no problem with overpriced ink, as long as it's reasonable. The cartridge formats need to be merged into some sort of standard.
-drl
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Post #108,798
7/9/03 6:39:58 AM
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Indeed.
I spent a year researching inkjet printers before settling on a BJC-6000. The really big advantage was that the ink cartridges were individually replaceable and the print heads are separate. A Tom's Hardware review of inkjet printers about 18 months after I bought my 3000 listed it's successor model - which used the same ink cartridges - as the most cost-effecient inkjet printer. By a noticeable margin. Canon are still using those same cartridges in quite a number of later printers, which shows it was a good move they made.
I did also notice that Xerox Textronic's entry level phasers are cheaper again to run. Unfortunately, I couldn't afford the purchase price.
Wade.
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Post #109,316
7/11/03 4:34:59 PM
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Re: Indeed.
I spent a year researching inkjet printers before settling on a BJC-6000. The really big advantage was that the ink cartridges were individually replaceable and the print heads are separate. A Tom's Hardware review of inkjet printers about 18 months after I bought my 3000 listed it's successor model - which used the same ink cartridges - as the most cost-effecient inkjet printer. By a noticeable margin. Canon are still using those same cartridges in quite a number of later printers, which shows it was a good move they made. I also loved my Xerox XJ6C Printer for the reason of the individual color cartridges. Unfortunately they discontinued my printer support, (lousy driver for XP wouldn't barely work) and most office stores stopped carrying the ink. Add to that the fact that it had some serious problems and had to be babysat all the time to print, and I was done with it. I settled on an HP Deskjet 3820 and so far it's been fine. I print a lot of color documents consistently, so I don't tend to waste the colored ink, it gets pretty spread out usage wise. I realize the lasers are more efficient where ink is concerned but we just can't afford one right now, so I'm happy with my choice. :) Nightowl >8# "Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
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Post #108,823
7/9/03 10:15:10 AM
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Assuming it's reasonable and I'm not locked into buying new
This putting chips into the cartridges to lock out refills or cheaper competitors is bogus. Some include a limited number of uses. Thanks but I can tell when the cartridge needs to be replaced. The printer manufacturers can put in BIG BOLD letters on the front of the manual that using refills or competitors cartidges voids the warranty. That's a risk I'm prepared to take.
lister
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Post #108,831
7/9/03 11:11:35 AM
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That warning is illegal in the U.S.
Under U.S. law, to void a warranty the manufacturer must prove specific consumable supplies actually did cause damage.
This has not stopped some companies from saying it anyway, and some of them have been sued for it. Of course, making it too much hassle to ever collect on a warranty is the standard defense.
As an Epson exec told a magazine journalist who asked how they could make money selling printers so cheap, "You see a printer. I see an ink vending machine", and that's the way it's going to stay. The printer companies will do everything anywhere near close to legal to stop refills and compatibles. These days, one set of new cartridges can cost half the price of the printer did.
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Post #109,179
7/11/03 7:03:31 AM
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... and that's why you don't buy a cheap inkjet printer! :-)
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #109,311
7/11/03 4:20:54 PM
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All generalizations are false
(like this one)
I bought TWO loss-leaders from a #^@#$ Drug Store chain! ~ 2 years ago. ~$50 ea out the door: the ""List"" price on the color refill was then ~$32! for this Canon BJ-1000 == I got the second entire printer for $18. Nutzo, that.
Now my usage is hardly typ - I don't print often (just about enough to keep the printhead from fusing into jello). The second unit remains in its box as does its color cartridge. [Won't print some morning? R&R in about 3 minutes; think later]
I had found (first!) that the Very Common 'BC-02' refill in BLACK was an alt. refill, and after a few color prints I removed the original into its sorta-sealed plastic carrier box.
Borrowing a Costco card I snagged a pair of the BC-02s for something like 17 ea - and since it's all-black, the capacity means I'm still on the original one. I may.. sometime see if this venerable ctdge has more anti-refill featurez than I can hyppodermic around. Maybe.
So my 'annual print cost' has benefited from this scam, though this has nada to do with (most) folks who'd like to print lots and not feel like schmuks who have willingly surrendered to YAN slimy bizness Neoconman.
YMMV
Ashton
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Post #109,352
7/12/03 12:37:58 AM
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An exception that proves the rule? :-)
Certainly, for the general case, I posit that the Official consumables for cheap printers tend to be out of proportion in price to the printer's purchase price. I can't believe this was always so. Besides, un-Official refill kits do seem to re-balance the equation, to the printer manufacturers' frustration... Without sounding like a know-it-all perhaps your atypical usage also helps re-balance things.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #109,364
7/12/03 1:57:07 AM
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That word...
...in that context, does not mean what you think it means.
"The exception that proves the rule" as written is a contradiction UNTIL you realise that "prove" can also mean "test".
Peter
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Post #109,376
7/12/03 9:45:19 AM
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But everyone generalizes
I know I do.
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Post #109,411
7/12/03 6:08:35 PM
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*Nobody* believes that! I'm for -
*Nobody* for President! Why...
Nobody can wade throught the swamp of polit-speak
Nobody can walk on the water above it
Nobody can save us from ourselves!
Nobody has a ghost of a chance of speaking sense
Nobody can send Shrub directly back to E. Texas
Nobody can encourage Rove-o-witz to commit seppuku
Nobody can reverse the Plutocracy before everyone commits seppuku
Nobody's My Man!
(Nobody Knows.. the trouble I've seen)
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