Repository based development ...

Post #102,732 by bluke 5/20/03 9:04:10 AM Reply	Repository based development ... is a different paradigm which takes getting used to. It definately has it's drawbacks, it is harder to transport code to another machine. The truth is, these days very few Smalltalk developers really rely on the image, instead they have their application in Envy and then load it into a clean image. What bothers me about Java development tools is the lack of a good class browser. I have used or use Netbeans, Eclipse, JBuilder and none of them offered the classic class browser like Smalltalk. I find that it is much easier to understand the system when you can easily browse the class hierarchy.
Post #102,737 by admin 5/20/03 9:31:31 AM Reply	Class browsers... I use Mozilla. It's sufficient for my needs, and I doubt that any tool is going to make my development easier or faster than the combination of Mozilla and emacs. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #102,787 by tuberculosis 5/20/03 12:40:25 PM Reply	I've recently become enamored of Whisker which is a nifty browser for Squeak. Part of what I like about it is the way it integrates with changesets to let me click my way back through revisions in the editor. So I'm less fearful of making changes because its so easy to revert. It also lets you put lots of little method editors in panes in the window making it easy to reference code from somewhere else while editing your method. I could maybe even give up vi for it. :-) "Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes. Contestants in a suicidal race." - Synchronicity II - The Police
Post #102,788 by admin 5/20/03 12:51:37 PM Reply	There's your problem... In comparison to vi, anything looks good. ;-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #102,798 by jb4 5/20/03 1:50:16 PM Reply	OK, I'll bite...How do you browse classes using Moz? (This damn thing is starting to remind me of the old Saturday Night Live skit: " Its a floor wax! No, Its a dessert topping!...".) jb4 "We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's." Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
Post #102,803 by admin 5/20/03 2:10:34 PM Reply	Re: OK, I'll bite...How do you browse classes using Moz? [link\|http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/docs/api/\|http://java.sun.com/...jdk/1.2/docs/api/] I have javadocs for the local system too, all hyperlinked to the main sun.com docs. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #102,834 by jb4 5/20/03 4:47:17 PM Reply	A-comma-ha! You're talking about the java hierarchy, not the hierarchy of the app written in java. I get it.... jb4 "We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's." Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
Post #102,835 by admin 5/20/03 4:49:04 PM Reply	No. I have the same sort of documentation for the app hierarchy on a shared drive here where all the developers can see it. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #102,895 by bluke 5/21/03 3:25:16 AM Reply	Not exactly the same as a Smalltalk class browser for one you can't see the source code. You also can't take a method and find all the senders etc.
Post #102,922 by admin 5/21/03 9:09:16 AM Reply	Nope. you're right. But it's sufficient for my needs. Between that and emacs, I'd wager I program as quickly as I can anyway. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

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