Did you work at TimeWarner too?

Post #102,595 by tuberculosis 5/19/03 2:27:32 PM Reply	Did you work at TimeWarner too? Because I did the same thing - residential telephone service order entry in VisualWorks in Denver. VWIW, there's a free Gemstone wannabe called Magma written in Squeak. Its pretty cool and the source is available. The J2EE people have just recently admitted that their persistence model is shit. Thus, we now have the new JDO specifications that are taking a shot at OR mapping the right way. But of course, the stupid limitations of their type system are killing them. Same as it killed CORBA (which had a shot at being cool - but the C++ stub/proxy code generation made it a dozen times more complex than it needed to be). A better example is NextStep's PDO (Portable Distributed Objects) which provided object relocation, remote invocation, but no persistence. "Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes. Contestants in a suicidal race." - Synchronicity II - The Police
Post #102,704 by bluke 5/20/03 3:42:42 AM Reply	I worked at NYNEX ... which became Bell Atlantic which is now Verizon. I worked on an order entry system for large Centrex customers. After working there for a year as a consultant, I am amazed that the phones in NY work as well as they do. The NYNYEX employees did nothing all day, the consultants did all the work, the NYNEX employees pushed papers all day. The VP in charge of my division was the ultimate PHB. Last but not least, the unions ruled the place. One of the people I worked with told me a funny story. When he was working in customer service on the way back from his lunchbreak he went to the bathroom. Next thing he knows, the union rep is screaming at him "Don't piss on your time, piss on their time". The union rep explained that since the contract allowed for x number of bathroom breaks during the workday he should use them and not go to the bathroom on his time (e.g. lunch) but rather, hold it in until his shift started and then use his bathroom break.
Post #102,708 by bluke 5/20/03 4:31:40 AM Reply	JDO vs. Entity Beans I was recently at a Java event and you could see the tension between the JDO proponents and Entity Beans proponents. The JDO guys don't say it explicitly but basically their message is who needs Entity Beans which doesn't sit well with the EJB guys. How did J2EE go so wrong with their persistence model? From what I understand IBM had a big role in the J2EE spec and they should know this stuff with all their work on Smalltalk. In fact, I still haven't figured out why IBM jumped so hard on the Java bandwagon when they were one of only 2 major players in the Smalltalk market. I guess, after their experience with OS/2 (the superior product losing out to an inferior hyped product) they figured that they should back Java and make a bundle on consulting services when all the Java projects need help.

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