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Post #100,055
by static
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5/2/03 11:41:20 PM
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New 95 could run like that, too.
But it took some doing to set it up. Andrew Schulman got a late beta of Win95 up without the GUI and documented how he did it in a book whose name I can't remember because I can't find it right now. :-/ It basically took advantage of the fact that all of 95's GUI layer actually ran in a single VMM.

Wade.

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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.
Post #100,140
by kmself
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5/3/03 5:30:56 PM
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New The wiggle on that

Win95 was essentially a graphical shell running on DOS. So you were bastardizing the system back down to the underlying "kernel", really just a program loader (not even really a resource manager -- after all, DOS can be convinced to load Linux via LOADLIN.EXE...which by one interpretation makes Linux just another DOS app ;-). Whereas with the NT kernel, you're talking about a system which was pretty much ground-up designed to be a GUI system. Yes, you can hack it into running console mode. I'm even largely doing this presently by accessing a Win2K system via SSHD. But it's a gawdawfully fscked up command-line space. The native tools suck, the filesystem layout's a beast, there's no consistency. Or put more succinctly: it's Windows.

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     Future versions of windows to be more UNIX-y - (Steve Lowe) - (25) - May 2, 2003, 10:47:50 AM EDT
         Those who do not understand UNIX - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 2, 2003, 10:55:14 AM EDT
             Actually been hearing a nasty rumor. - (folkert) - May 2, 2003, 11:45:26 AM EDT
         Windows Is Getting Performance-Killed - (deSitter) - (4) - May 2, 2003, 11:12:48 AM EDT
             Iffen you want something like that - (jake123) - (3) - May 2, 2003, 03:50:35 PM EDT
                 No doubt. - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 3, 2003, 12:50:40 AM EDT
                     Depends on the meaning of "dead". - (Another Scott) - May 3, 2003, 08:48:35 AM EDT
                     Well, not really - (jake123) - May 4, 2003, 09:13:13 PM EDT
         A CLI-only version of Windows == DOS -NT - (jbrabeck) - (17) - May 2, 2003, 12:21:14 PM EDT
             Funny, but wrong - (deSitter) - (16) - May 2, 2003, 02:17:40 PM EDT
                 What do you propose then? WinDOS? - (folkert) - (13) - May 2, 2003, 04:08:58 PM EDT
                     Or better yet... WinDoes? -NT - (folkert) - May 2, 2003, 04:10:33 PM EDT
                     Or WinDoesn't -NT - (drewk) - (11) - May 2, 2003, 04:11:06 PM EDT
                         Winux-- (minus minus version)? -NT - (folkert) - (10) - May 2, 2003, 04:13:58 PM EDT
                             contentID whores... -NT - (admin) - (9) - May 2, 2003, 04:16:28 PM EDT
                                 WindoesPD (Pant's down version) -NT - (folkert) - May 2, 2003, 04:18:11 PM EDT
                                 You made us -NT - (drewk) - May 2, 2003, 04:20:08 PM EDT
                                 C:Windows> -NT - (folkert) - May 2, 2003, 04:20:53 PM EDT
                                 Everyone's trying to be 100K. ;-o -NT - (jbrabeck) - (5) - May 2, 2003, 04:34:09 PM EDT
                                     And what's wrong with that? -NT - (Yendor) - (4) - May 2, 2003, 04:37:07 PM EDT
                                         I mean, we only roll over... - (Yendor) - (3) - May 2, 2003, 04:37:52 PM EDT
                                             Gah. Hopefully it will be a REAL post and not this crap. -NT - (admin) - (2) - May 2, 2003, 04:42:43 PM EDT
                                                 Bah. What's wrong with this crap? ;-) -NT - (Yendor) - May 2, 2003, 04:44:41 PM EDT
                                                 Posting halt called... <grin> - (jbrabeck) - May 2, 2003, 04:49:03 PM EDT
                 95 could run like that, too. - (static) - (1) - May 2, 2003, 11:41:20 PM EDT
                     The wiggle on that - (kmself) - May 3, 2003, 05:30:56 PM EDT

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