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New Your quote reproduced one of my links.
FWIW.

So...here's the question... if Powell was right - where's the uranium that these tubes were going to enrich?

There's uranium [link|http://www.iaea.org/worldatom/Press/Focus/IaeaIraq/unscreport_290103.html|in Iraq].

Iraq had successfully concentrated uranium from its own ore and produced industrial quantities of feed material (UCl4) for electromagnetic isotopic separation (EMIS). There were no indications that the production of feed material for centrifuge enrichment (UF6) went beyond laboratory level.


As we know, absence of evidence isn't the same as evidence of absence. We can argue about whether there's reason to agree with IAEA's conclusions about Iraq's nuclear weapons program, or whether to agree with the US and UK statements about it. We can argue about whether the aluminum tubes in question were useful in a centrifuge program. But it's clear that Iraq had the knowledge and the means to produce weapons-grade uranium.

For me, it comes down to Iraq's behavior. Iraq gave little reason for others to believe its statements that it had ended its prohibited weapons and missiles programs. It was still importing prohibited materials (as the aluminum tubes were even if they were only for rockets) in contravention of the UN sanctions. It never, as the UN demanded, fully accounted for the materials it claimed to have destroyed. It was still playing games with the inspection process - not giving a full accounting, threatening scientists with death if they were interviewed, etc.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New An interesting argument...
(BTW: I know. I wanted to quote from Powell extensively, since the majority of his argument was based on the possibility of Iraq restarting their nuclear weapon's program with primary evidence based on the aluminum tubes and magnets. Thus the argument and reference to Niger's uranium.)


For me, it comes down to Iraq's behavior. Iraq gave little reason for others to believe its statements that it had ended its prohibited weapons and missiles programs. It was still importing prohibited materials (as the aluminum tubes were even if they were only for rockets) in contravention of the UN sanctions. It never, as the UN demanded, fully accounted for the materials it claimed to have destroyed. It was still playing games with the inspection process - not giving a full accounting, threatening scientists with death if they were interviewed, etc.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Iraq was allow to have rockets provided they were of a limited range?

In any case, I totally agree with you on this argument. Iraq was playing schenigans.

What bothers me though, is the schenigans that others have played. Someone forged those Niger documents. Like it or not, US official did claim that Iraq was 6 months from having nuclear weapons.
Expand Edited by Simon_Jester May 2, 2003, 02:16:06 PM EDT
New Iraq was permitted rockets, but ...
Due to the sanctions, they weren't permitted to import high-strength aluminum unless approved by the UN. I haven't the time to look up the relevent UN SC resolution but imagine it's 678 or 687.

A highly critical ISIS report on the administration claims about the Al tubes is [link|http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/al_tubes.html|here].

The CIA said that the procurements were highly secret, despite Iraq being able to buy the tubes on the open market. In fact, Iraq could not buy the tubes on the open market. Iraq has been forbidden to possess high-strength aluminum regardless of its use unless such an order was approved by the United Nations and subject to monitoring, an impossibility after the inspectors left Iraq in 1998. But these orders were not that secret, according to a US expert. The Iraqi trading company charged with ordering the tubes often sent facsimiles from its Baghdad office to many foreign companies, including the exact dimensions and tolerances in its request. Facsimiles are easy for intelligence agencies to intercept. This method is very different from Iraq's well documented highly clandestine procurement techniques. Click here for more information about Iraqi procurement.


Cheers,
Scott.
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