Post #97,074
4/17/03 3:26:59 PM
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Re: I didn't say it was all OK
We can discuss whether the opinions of "celebrities" ought to carry any more weight than yours or mine till the cows come home (they stay out real late in these parts), but the reality is that the opinions of a Tim Robbins or a Susan Sarandon are a thousand times likelier to be reported and disseminated than ours are There was a letter published in the Houston Chronicle a few weeks back. The guist of it was that this - "thousand times likelier to be reported and disseminated" - was exacty why the people had to boycott said artists. If nobody's making a fuss about the celebrities opinions, and those opinions are what's reported, then the government(since they hadn't heard anything to the contrary) would believe that those opinions were the same as the public.
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Post #97,083
4/17/03 3:47:50 PM
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oh, for heaven's sake!
Listen to yourself... If nobody's making a fuss about the celebrities opinions, and those opinions are what's reported, then the government(since they hadn't heard anything to the contrary) would believe that those opinions were the same as the public You can't really believe that, can you? That the government-- this government in particular--wouldn't have a clue about the public sentiments they spend every waking hour monitoring and manipulating if it weren't for Clear Channel selflessly jumping in to organize boycotts, helping the inarticulate Teeming Masses to find their collective voice? I mean, I know that you cite an authoritative source--a letter to the editor of the Houston Chronicle, no less!--but really, this is too silly. cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
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Post #97,122
4/17/03 5:48:06 PM
4/17/03 5:51:17 PM
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Re: oh, for heaven's sake!
Clear Channel selflessly jumping in to organize boycotts I never said CC was acting selflessly, I'd be shocked if they weren't. However, I've only seen & heard evidence that the public is driving the boycott - thus the motivation for CC is to keep their customers happy and thus maintain their source of income. It's exactly the same motivation that Tim Robbins and gang where trying to apply in pushing a boycott of P&G - keep the customers happy else lose money. While he might have some valid issues, I have to take what Tom Robbins' is saying with a major grain of salt - saying things like it's NOT OK for one teacher to express an opinion, but that it should have been OK for another to do so as well as being upset over a boycott while he's pushed for other boycotts himself is a big part of why. Give me evidence the governments' behind it and I'll reevaluate his position. Until then, I'll continue to see a hypocritical complainer.
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Edited by SpiceWare
April 17, 2003, 05:51:17 PM EDT
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Post #97,127
4/17/03 6:13:44 PM
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Gawd Forbid that someone might get away with a bit of
'hypocrisy' within a rather complex matter.. involving wheels-within-wheels of scurrilous, avaricious and sanctimonious twits -
In the World and Historical Capital of Hypocrisy !!
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Post #97,166
4/17/03 9:00:30 PM
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While I can overlook the teacher stuff
I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone when they're complaining that others are doing to them what they've previously done to others.
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Post #97,154
4/17/03 8:13:01 PM
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If that's all you've seen
However, I've only seen & heard evidence that the public is driving the boycott Astonishing. With all of the widely reported (and ominous) trashing /burning/monster truck rollovers of their albums they are somehow still at number 2 on the country charts. Yep, the public has made itself clear.
The world is only a simple place to the simple.
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Post #97,170
4/17/03 9:14:08 PM
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Even though I live in Texas
I don't listen to country.
I have read that the President has greater support in Texas than other states. I would expect the same was true of past Presidents and their home state. As such, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the response in Texas was different than other parts of the country.
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Post #97,175
4/17/03 9:41:13 PM
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What?
I thought this subthread was about the corp inspired "boycott" of the Dixie Chicks. I bring up the fact that they have lost virtually no sales since the infamous "remark" and you say Bush is from Texas. Huh?
The world is only a simple place to the simple.
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Post #97,615
4/21/03 12:48:28 PM
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Re: What?
As such, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the response in Texas(to the statement) was different than other parts of the country.
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Post #101,138
5/9/03 5:10:02 PM
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this is exactly what I was saying
that because Bush is from Texas, what I was seeing could be different than what you were seeing: [link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/ae/music/jump/1902341|Dixie Chicks still ruffling feathers in Houston] More than 8,500 votes were cast in the unscientific poll, with 56 percent voting against bringing the Chicks' music back. So for now, they remain banned from Houston's two leading country stations. ... Around the nation, the Chicks are making it back onto country radio. Consultant Rusty Walker estimates that 75 of the 100 country stations he advises have begun playing their music again.
But Houston remains down on the Chicks, because there is a "more traditional country audience" in Houston and strong support for Texas politician Bush, Walker said. The results of The Chronicle's survey(time of this post) Is it time to put the Dixie Chicks back on the radio?
Yes, I really miss them: - 26% No, I'll stop listening if they do: - 45% Who cares, this whole thing has gotten old: - 25% My radio gets bad reception: - 4%
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Post #97,126
4/17/03 6:05:37 PM
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{sigh} Do I hear an echo in the History dept. hallway?
What. Can. One. Say.
The crowd wills: Give Us Barabbas !!
(cf. below re "The Screw" ;-)
So much pus to drain.. so much fucked base-Language; so many puppies.. (to drown?)
And circumscribing It All: The Ed-ja-Kay'-shun President... A Texas ..?..?.. Avatar for the Warshed in the Blood o' the Lamb er sheep. A Crusade w/o The SPANISH?!
Ashton Digital-logic: World of Duality in its essence! I believe I hear Cosmic Guffaws, but see no Phoenix here, as would rise from the Ashes: just a Super-Sized Dead Eagle, smoked on a McSesame bun - with a side of People Fries.
PS - What's with:
Digital folk can decompile Every new adolescent slogan from The Beast of Redmond, dismember the sloppy code behind the insufferable crap-ware... yet not spot pre-pyres of burning books from the wisps of smoke, parse tawdry Language-murder or surveillance dbases UNTIL: one's nose lies bitten-off atop a shiny boot, IN FACT??
I. Don't. Get. It. (Unless these pernicious machines Really Are ___ ?!)
(but I digress)
transistorized mind-rot? sent from the future by a pissed-off Geo Orwell?? The Lathe of Heaven - stealthily via Kurt Vonnegut???
or just maya runamok... Global Worming? (Oh Well..)
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Post #97,128
4/17/03 6:19:20 PM
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not sure that is the factor
when thumbing one's nose at authority then whining about the temperature of your claret somehow does not resonate with the enquirer readership. Breast heaving complaints from an entertainer complaining about a theatre cancelling a show sounds callow and should have been saved for the schoolboard of the offending town he cited. thanx, bill
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Post #97,135
4/17/03 6:51:37 PM
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cf 'hypocrisy': it's in the Genes. Our mothers milk.
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