I kindof have to disagree a bit.

Post #96,777 by bepatient 4/16/03 1:18:53 AM Reply	I kindof have to disagree a bit. 9/11 made a good portion of America feel >unsafe<. It, unfortunately, took the hayseed from their hair and forced them to realize that we are part of the >world<...and the world is not cast in the form of "Main Street USA". And the part that many don't seem to understand...politicians overall will respond to their constituents. Right now >NOBODY< will get voted from office for the security measures being taken by the government. Why? "We the people" (in the Constitutional sense) SUPPORT them...by a large margin. They supported the removal of Hussein. They support the airport security measures. They support expanded police authority for investigations, they support governmental sharing of data...all of it. And, when the random crashing of SUVs showed a pattern...it did get governmental and public awareness...and the Firestone lawsuit and hearings dealt with far fewer deaths than 9/11. This country >has< changed since 9/11. And 2 years in...we can see the over-reaction in certain areas. I agree with you that not >everything< should be blamed on 9/11...but the current government is responding largely to those concerns...to the current detriment of the economy and local affairs. It will cost them the election (if the Dems can field a candidate...that is) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #96,790 by ben_tilly 4/16/03 7:02:37 AM Reply	Unsafe, but not personally so You will note that in NYC polls consistently run against Bush's war. Why? My guess is that it is a lot harder to be so rah rah when you are also personally aware that you live in a big bullseye. It is also possible that living here you see more clearly the hypocrisy implicit in people with their own agendas taking advantage of this crisis to hijack national politics while simultaneously ignoring the needs of the place where it happened. (NYC is looking at massive cutbacks in firefighters and police.) Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #96,820 by inthane-chan 4/16/03 11:06:32 AM Reply	Bullpucky. Beep, the PNAC was running the agenda BEFORE fucking 9/11 - they just shamelessly manipulated public opinion like a bunch of ghoulish ambulance chasers afterwards. Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing you sit back and claiming that there's no hidden agenda, no real dissapearance of civil rights, that stupid claim that "trickle-down economics" actually works, etc, etc - if the fucking GESTAPO came by and packed away half of IWETHEY tomorrow, the feeling I get from you is that you'd be sitting with your thumb up your ass, preaching "the market will correct, the market will correct..." Guess what: The market doesn't correct unless somebody FUCKING DOES SOMETHING TO CORRECT IT. WE* ARE THE FUCKING MARKET. Every day you just sit back and call this a blip instead of adding your voice to the choir saying "enough is enough" is one more day of bigoted close-minded assholes like Marlowe running everything. * In the sense that all humanity makes up the market. After 9/11, Bush made two statements: 1. "Terrorists hate America because America is a land of freedom and opportunity." 2. "We intend to attack the root causes of terrorism." Sounds like everything is going according to plan.
Post #96,824 by bepatient 4/16/03 11:22:10 AM Reply	You know what... ...keep reading Ashton...instead of paying attention to me..and continue to misrepresent my opinion. It seems to be what your best at. Or...when you calm the fuck down...come back and we'll chat. K? Otherwise...piss off for now. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #96,898 by Ashton 4/16/03 6:53:57 PM Reply	Moi??__{Omigawd} I think he just said... Read Me in My Posts [!!] ..don't listen to these calumniators and see my proves! \ufffd 199x the Legendary.. M&M Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. I dunno, BeeP - but I don't see how my deconstructions of your stolid hoary edifices can alter What, ~ You Always Do\ufffd: reductio ad it'salljustrunninglikeClockwork! (But then, I'm biased - I'd settle for 'Leaders' whom I disagree with.. merely selected by an Honest Process, but who speak English and aren't motivated by theological Megalomania - over ones I'd agree with in aims, but whose MO is The Big Lie [too..]) Your bias is of course.. different. Wonder what it really is ? Since most of yer stuff is simply a plea for thisisthebestofallpossibleworlds, you sap. Read me in my posts! you calumniators
Post #96,906 by bepatient 4/16/03 7:41:47 PM Reply	"the market will correct, the market will correct..." [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/board/search/?field_searchUser=-1&field_searchSubject=&field_searchContent=%22the+market+will+correct%22&field_searchSignature=&field_searchForum=-1&field_boardid=1&submit_ok%3Amethod=Search\|Those are >your< words.] I have never typed those words in these forums. So forgive me for getting tired of having your bullshit attributed to me. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #96,947 by Ashton 4/17/03 5:03:41 AM Reply	Damn.. I thought it was inscribed over arches at Econ U__:( along with, Caveat Emptor and The Sheep Shall Be Sheared (Kinda like at our student house, Stet Fortvna Domus :-)

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