But then, every 'fanatic and bigot' too -

Post #95,933 by Ashton 4/10/03 10:47:58 PM Reply	But then, every 'fanatic and bigot' too - has "the courage of his convictions". Isn't that what you are saying in apologia for the record of this same Bush? re the Constitution (a matter not addressed in your paeans of admiration for his 'record) ie Everything which has occurred on his/their watch, to date. re the daily altering 'reasons' why.. an EMERGENCY! EXISTS [SUDDENLY] - which requires the unilateral launch of a first-strike against another sovereign country. No matter what anyone else in the world thinks. [Implicit: don't bug me with details: I Know What I Want .. and here are another few new reasons today, why It's Good for You.] I am so glad to hear that you do not fear our President; I may only postulate that somewhere in your reasoning is an allowance ~ "he's not bright enough to get us in Real trouble because: We Are the Most Militarily Powerful Country Inna Worl\ufffd". [? ?] Perhaps you would fear the brain trust behind him - you've read about the Project for The New American Century, I trust [?] and noted the common roster there and in this President's cabinet. Doubtless you are aware of the omnipresence (from Texas-win onwards) of one Karl Rove? have also noted one William Kristol? etc. They're all 'on board'. OK then, if not fear, will horror do? I dunno Dan.. s'wonnerful to Trust Someone. I've found though, that it's a lot more satisfying if you can also respect [him/her + camp followers]. And in this case, camp followers == actual brains 'speaking'. (We dare not digress to the other overlapping category - that of Christian Fundamentalism with emphasis on Revelations: all taken literally by the aforementioned Leaders of the 2nd Biggest Nuke Arsenal extant.) Doverai ni proverai, Gospodin Ashton "A civilian gang of thieving lobbyists for the military industrial complex is running the White House. If to be against them is considered unpatriotic -- Hell, then call me a traitor." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Post #95,945 by screamer 4/10/03 11:47:46 PM Reply	At the risk of stating the obvious... we have a serious disagreement here... I understand your cynicism. Hell, I even share most of it. But I'm not willing to take it as far as you seem to. My mom used to say that water is mostly air in reference to the glass being half empty or half full. I know I may be missing a bunch and I truly trust your intellect. That said, I still feel that you may be part of a counter-cabal of hubris (spelled correctly - thank you :-)) That you have become a member of the armchair warriers and nattering nabobs of negativity. You don't want to give this guy a chance... I joined the service before going to college. I thought it was my turn, my duty. There has always been something a little wrong with me. I'm guilty as charged. I also have young kids, which makes me yearn for a better world and why I won't shed any tears for repressive dictatorships as they fall, by American and British hands or by others. I know a lot of what's happening now is the sell, sell sell as do you. It is our culture. It is propoganda. But I do believe - still - that regarding the war on terrorism, this administration is acting in my best interest and my children's. YMMV. This mess in Iraq was unfinished business and if we had adopted yet more appeasement as policy, my children would have inherited the burden of this mess with interest. So, yeah, I'm selfish too. Witness the prowess of the UN handling the Yugoslavia situation. So maybe I think I have choose the lesser of the two evils? It's easy to sit back and criticize others, doers... Believe me, I work at a major university and see it every day. It's hard to make decisions, even wrong ones, and follow them through. What was the UN's "plan" for dealing with Hussein? Oh, that's right... let's just keep doing what we've been doing and pay much more lip service. That'll bring down a fascist regime. Fucking joke, man. Come on over to the dark side, brother... the glass can be half full. Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,956 by Ashton 4/11/03 1:44:21 AM Reply	Yours is a fair cop. And may even 'succeed' - if enough people remain alert to the man ^h men! behind the curtain and their published plans for us all. My supposition is that you aren't up for an Empire for your children to 'maintain 24/7' either. We seem to disagree mainly on: the probability we shall get one anyway. I look at peoples' physiognomy.. eyes, body language - in addition to the words, when they speak. It isn't infallible; great actors can almost.. fake it. Then I look at the company men keep. That, so far - causes me to believe that Dubya et al are quite capable of implementing Empire - by-any-other-name as will do for consumption. If they can get away with an artful enough cover-plan. In this case, it is not the paranoid they - read the Cabinet roster. Hope you're right. Mainly I hope that I'm giving this group too much credit re orchestrating the conversion of a pseudo-Republic into a manageable mass of scared sheep. Will 'we' trade that messy, argumentative arrangement for the homogenized convenience of a New Dream of.. 'perfect security' from the rest of the world's opinion of our machinations? I trust you feed the tykes some brain food - they'll need to use that muscle in any next. Movie at 9/11 Cheers, Ashton

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