I'm starting to get upset...

Post #95,817 by screamer 4/10/03 2:52:37 PM Reply	I'm starting to get upset... a few months sounds a lot less than 12 fucking long years... Or 10 fucking long years if you subtract the years that Saddam kicked the inspectors out... Doesn't it? Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,819 by rcareaga 4/10/03 2:59:20 PM Reply	Re: I'm starting to get upset... Should this alarm us? Do you become violent? Ought we clear the room? "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #95,826 by screamer 4/10/03 3:13:09 PM Reply	I can get edgy... As far as your personal safety, you won't need to use the Patriot Act on me... Exit the building to the doors in the rear in a calm and orderly fashion... Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,821 by Silverlock 4/10/03 3:04:27 PM Reply	Saddam didn't kick 'em out. And why haven't you been screaming for 12 years if it was so important to you personally? The world is only a simple place to the simple.
Post #95,829 by screamer 4/10/03 3:18:41 PM Reply	Let's play semantics now... Huh? Because in the end, the only arguments that are left are semantic games. Do you mean he didn't physically "kick" them out? Or do you mean that "he" didn't kick them out? Or do you mean he didn't kick them "out"? Or do you mean that you are going to twist the logic of the wording "full access" to the inspectors? Or do you mean that you are tired of discussing issues that you have already made up your mind about and are going to play khasim semantics in order that I will go away? Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,830 by Silverlock 4/10/03 3:33:13 PM Reply	I mean what I say. However you spin it. For the semantically challenged; The weapons inspectors were not "kicked out" of Iraq. By Saddam or anyone else. They were ordered to leave by their UN boss. Chief U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler has ordered all non-essential staff out of Iraq as a precautionary measure in case of U.S. military action. Novwember 11, [link\|http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9811/11/iraq.02/\|1998] The world is only a simple place to the simple.
Post #95,838 by screamer 4/10/03 4:04:51 PM Reply	You say potato... from your own article: The action comes amid reports that the United States was preparing to launch a military strike against Iraq following Baghdad's refusal to allow UNSCOM to conduct inspections. Let's ask God for a ruling :-) Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,842 by screamer 4/10/03 4:08:34 PM Reply	no, no... wait... God... I see my mistake. They were not "kicked" out. They were just not invited to be allowed to "inspect" anymore. They weren't technically asked to leave. Okay... I'm wrong, wrong, wrong. LMFAO Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,844 by Silverlock 4/10/03 4:11:16 PM Reply	That happens a lot You being wrong. The world is only a simple place to the simple.
Post #95,850 by screamer 4/10/03 4:18:36 PM Reply	10-4. Over and out... Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,880 by dmarker 4/10/03 5:15:30 PM Reply	To Screamer, want to compliment you on your recent posts You have handled these threads very well & your logic & way of presenting your case, the best I have seen from you. Credit where credit is due - thanks Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #95,900 by screamer 4/10/03 6:24:44 PM Reply	Thank you, Doug... At one time, I used to be human... As you can see from my graphic (if you have graphics on), I have completely digressed over the last few days back to the womb... I also used to love to debate and challenge myself with the likes of you guys. I also used to have an easy job where I had plenty of free time! I really don't mean to hit and run. We all have deep feelings associated with the recent world events. I try to make sense out of what garbage shows up in the media (GIGO). To quote DiNiro, "I know a thing or two about a thing or two", but I am a work in progress. If someone can give a compelling and pursuasive argument, I still can learn a few things. I know we've been at odds about the "audacity" of the current US foreign policy, but I think you will find that when it is written in the history books, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and North Korea will be under the subheading of US reaction to 9/11 to defeat organized terrorism... It just ain't very pretty while it's happening. I think we'll probably stop short of the Mafia and find ourselves back, totally preoccupied with our own wars on drugs, free speech, and eachother (in general) and back to our true religion of Materialism shortly enough. While we're waiting, does Australia have any terrorists? ;-) Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #95,951 by dmarker 4/11/03 12:39:39 AM Reply	I think the policy actually precceded 9/11 9/11 merely gave it a new form and substance. I could never see how world trade & open borders could ever take off while we had rogue states like Iraq, NK, Zimbabwe, and reactionary extremeists like the Taliban etc: etc:. Openess can only happen in a climate where there is an accptable level of demoracy even if it is dumbed down from what a benevolent dictator can achieve. They never last & too often turn nasty. The thing about world trade & open borders is that it is both evolutionary & a notion whoose time has come. But could be devestated by any committed group of marginalized unhappy people through acts of terrorism. It seems that as long as everyone gets a chance to participate in a growing trade, then the open trade & borders promote common wealth (e.g. mfg moves to China which is boosting that countries wealth & shifting quite large numbers of people up the income tree). Unhappy people want to tear down the symbols that they associate with their own poverty or emptiness or lack of self worth. Extremist Islam & Christianity thrive in poverty & despair (their religion fills the gap). In Oz we really have no terrorists - many years back we had Serbian & Croation groups here that did their own paramilitary training & hated each other so much that their local football clubs were 'ordered' to adopt names that had no ethinic or regional association - purpose was that when Zagreb soccer club defeated a like names Serbian team the emotions ran so high that we had knifing deaths in the regular melees - that has more or less passed these days. The aboriginal community are a passive natured people who will protest but tend to do so quite peacfully, some part-aboriginal people can get nasty but even they are mild by international standards. Maybe though Australia & NZ might go to war (grin) over rugby, cricket, yachting etc: Cheers Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003

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