As well you know - this string is a lateral arabesque

(a dance step off-to-the-side)

{sheesh} you sure have a selective BS-filter, when it suits a rationalization. It's annoying to have to start with Square [1] after each of your little broadsides. Short attention span?

I doubt that anyone here begrudges "helping Iraqis overthrow dictatorship". You could even say that, "the outside world would agree that many/most? Iraqis wish they could get Him and His out". We have no legit mechanism for that - because most nations have deliberately emasculated the powers of the UN, from its inception.

A demented President's cabal has rushed to... correct an Emergency which was as valid when his Daddy *decided* that Saddam was "better for US interests" than a Shi'ite Ayatollah standing in the wings. He did that.

It is about the rush, about the ugly and juvenile Biblical rhetoric of this cabal which has alienated most of the world. About the idiotic "You're All For Us or All Agin Us" - that most of this forum has been concerned with. This along with: the lies, the hidden agenda (as now ref'd many times: The New American Century crew) -- the aim for this Admin to launch a series of preemptive strikes with NO CONCERN for our former allies / and with a promise! of such new abominations as PATRIOT-II - already heading for final draft.

You like the *Action* / screw the niceties of fixing a broken UN: just INVADE NOW; never mind that this Admin doesn't know shit about what to do after the smart-bombs are stopped. We will all pay heavily and lengthily - while they attend Other Cultures 101-Remedial, next. Or go directly into Iran. While Afgh. simmers and before Iraq has even come off boil.

Wrapping all of the above into "you just don't give a shit about abused Iraqis, do you?" - is marlowesque BS and you know it. Fucking Abused Muricans are very much to be next on this Admin's agenda - as our former Republic slides further into 'Tax-Cut' caste warfare and anti-Constitutional police-state "emergency laws".

The New Century folk are now 'producing' the scenario they scripted in 1992! read the fucking thing. (Too bad you missed the interview of Wm. Kristol on that Californicated NPR; no point in listening to Terry Gross if she talks there. Best go to The Weekly Standard; Kristol runs that, and he is in the same clique as Perle, Wolfowitz and Rove)

Ashton

is the only way to keep him on track. With others you can have a conversation with him you have a series of broadsides pointless broadsides as well. His insistance that only Iraqi's may help Iraqi's and leaving sadaam in charge of them is well known as I sought to point out that no political revolution or advance is done in a vacuum without outside assistance. Now you and I can disagree on the nature of the beast that involved us in Iraq, it remains that the Iraqi people will have a short respite from their heavily abused lives and can hope that thy will prefer the respite to the boot on their neck. As for brandy his

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is something else again that has nothing to do with right, wrong, lova hate it only has to do with grammatically winning. I will continue to point that out when I am not bored by it.
thanx,
bill

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