From that one article, I get the impression that she's an idiot (and idiot with a history book, but still an idiot).

So what if Seattle's POLITICIANS are having a tough time coming up with a statement that they can ALL agree to?

You haven't been to Seattle. Since the war started (and before), we've had protestors voicing their opposition.

There have been some people counter-protesting, but they number about 1/10th of the protestors.

In other words, in Seattle, people who are motivated enough to publicly protest are 10x more likely to be against this "war".

The politicians here see that and understand it.

If they care enough to get out in the rain to protest, they'll care enough to VOTE.

The majority of people in Seattle seem to be opposed to this "war".

And she does NOT like this aspect of Democracy (as evidenced in her column).

Too bad for her.

Take away her history book and she'd be another Marlowe or Cybermace or Orion.

I'm sure that the problem is not on my end.

Do you disagree with any of the points she made?

She had points? All I saw was her ranting against some elected officials in Seattle.

No because they seemed reasonable to you.

Wrong. I think she was way off the mark on her ranting.

A very Seatlised response.

"Seatlised" is not a word in any dictionary I can find. Perhaps you'd care to define words that you make up? No? I didn't think so.

Seattle is just a northern burb of berkely and has been for some time.

Seattle is in Washington state. Not Califorinia. In fact, a few years ago, anything Californian was mocked by people in Seattle. Mostly because the Californians were moving up here and driving up our real estate prices.

But why let facts get in the way of your rants?

Californians with webbed feet.

Whatever.

All in favor of the environment unless it is Alaska dollars being held in alaska instead of filling seattle's coffers.

What are you talking about?

Then the gloves come off and you pack the resource allocation councils in DC to make sure every dime is squeezed then flown to Seattle.

I will presume (this may be a mistake on my part) that you're talking about elected officials and such?

How is it possible for Seattle (a city in the state of Washington) to "pack the resource allocation councils in DC"?

Or is there some law that allows Seattle (the city) to allocate more congress critters when certain issues are under discussion.

Next time, try some facts instead of just ranting about that which you know nothing about.

Nice quote.

Shall I quote it IN CONTEXT?

Recent Decisions of the Alaska Supreme Court

Fisheries regulation. The Court rejected yet another attack on the Alaska Board of Fisheries\ufffd regulation of the False Pass interception fishery. A claimant felt the Board\ufffds management approach did not adequately protect Norton Sound subsistence fisheries. The Court held that the Board had "considerable discretion" in its management decisions, and that the Board policy at issue was valid. Whether new federal fisheries managers will be so deferential is in serious doubt.

Marital Property. A marital dissolution decree distributes jointly owned property acquired during the marriage. The Alaska Supreme Court held in 1996 that NMFS quota shares issued during marriage are distributable marital property. Recently, the Court extended that rule to provide that quota shares and related IFQ\ufffds issued after dissolution based on the couple\ufffds joint fishing activity during the marriage may also be distributable marital property. A divorce decree that failed to apportion QS and IFQ\ufffds awarded after the dissolution may be reopened and the property settlement adjusted accordingly.

Maintenance and cure. A vessel crewman is usually entitled to payment by the vessel owner of medical expenses incurred in the treatment of medical conditions that "manifest themselves" in the course of his employment. Recently, the Alaska Supreme Court extended this rule to cover a non-symptomatic pre-existing condition discovered incidental to other treatment. The treating physician who discovered the 50 year old condition felt that it was potentially life-threatening, so he corrected it. Expensive complications resulted. Without explanation, the Court held that the discovery constituted manifestation, and required the vessel owner to pay the cost of treatment.

Expert witnesses. A recently-developed federal rule curbing the use of expert opinion at trial has been adopted for use in Alaska state courts. Application of this rule should improve the quality of jury trials. Historically, juries were largely left on their own to sort out expert testimony of doubtful quality. This approach led to silicone breast implant, Bendectin, and other fiascos. Now, federal and Alaska state court judges are to determine whether proposed expert testimony is well-grounded in scientific or other appropriate methodology before allowing its use at trial.

Forum selection clauses. Contracts commonly include clauses specifying the court or the city in which disputes arising from the contract must be litigated. Courts generally uphold these clauses, which can inflict prohibitive expense and inconvenience. Alaska fishermen hired by out-of-state interests commonly face employment contract clauses designating Seattle as the dispute forum. The Court held that a seaman\ufffds personal injury claim did not "arise under" his employment contract, so he was not required to pursue it in Seattle, the designated forum. Whether an Alaska fisherman would be compelled to litigate a wage claim in Seattle was not addressed.

So, if a CONTRACT states that ANY disputes be handled in a PARTICULAR STATE (which is rather common in contracts) then...

allow me to quote your ORIGINAL allegation.

[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=94714|All in favor of the environment unless it is Alaska dollars being held in alaska instead of filling seattle's coffers. Then the gloves come off and you pack the resource allocation councils in DC to make sure every dime is squeezed then flown to Seattle.]

!!!SMACKDOWN!!!

So, a fishery business run by a non-Alaskan-based company, but operating in Alaska, specifies which state any contractual disputes will be handled in is evidence of Seattle packing the resource allocation councils in DC.

But, from the article you linked to (and partially quoted), the ruling court would seem to be....

hmmmmm.....

"Recent Decisions of the Alaska Supreme Court"

!!!SMACKDOWN!!!

ad seattle history to the list of things you dont know about

The Alaska Supreme Court is in Seattle?

I don't THINK so!

!!!SMACKDOWN!!!

lumber Ketchikan Pulp of Tongass fame, a seattle company
gateway to the klondike and the alaskan goldrush wouldnt trade with any boat that supplied elsewhere.

Okay, another parsing issue.

Here's a few hints.

Sentences start with capital letters.

Sentences have subjects and verbs.

Well, I could go on, but is it really worth my time?

It appears that you have a partial sentence there, mixed in with another sentence.

It appears that you believe that the Ketchikan Pulp Company (KPC) would not [sell | buy] [to | from] ships that [sold | bought] [to | from] [competitors | miners | Eskimos].

Whatever.

Seattle freight forwarding has 80% of the fresh food coming to Alaska and threatened to shut down if it couldnt raise rates.

Monopolies suck. What's your point?

Seattle has made a lot of money extracting Alaskan resources and fighting to make sure no one else could do it.

You have not provided any support for that statement. Shipping freight is not the same as "extracting Alaskan resources".

Since you did not address any of the single points of the columnist's rant it is obvious that you would agree with her assessment of what a seattle concensus would be on each point.

Okay, I'll do that now.

From the original article.

Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way. -- General George Patton Jr.

(Seattleified: Arrive with me at a peaceful consensus or form an alternative decision-making committee to explore underrepresented options.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

War is hell. -- General William Tecumseh Sherman

(Seattleified: Armed conflict is a very, very, very negative thing.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. -- General Dwight D. Eisenhower, address to his troops on D-Day 1944

(Seattleified: While we support your efforts in general, our hopes and prayers are that you avoid unnecessary destruction of sea and plant life as you land on the fragile beaches at Normandy.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

Give me liberty or give me death. -- Patrick Henry

(Seattleified: Give non-aggression a chance.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

(Seattleified: We refuse to rewrite this offensive statement. It is a hate crime against the weak and timid.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

The best form of defense is attack. -- Karl von Clausewitz

(Seattleified: The most preferable form of defense is a sit-in, candle lighting, and survival kit with bottled water, Nutella, environmentally safe non-plastic sheeting and homemade cornstarch paste (a non-industrial alternative to duct tape).)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! -- Ronald W. Reagan

(Seattleified: Mr. Gorbachev, we will maintain a non-judgmental posture toward the Communist regime. P.S. Do you think Moscow would be interested in being our new sister city?)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. -- Sir Winston Churchill

(Seattleified: We have nothing to offer but tears, tears, tears, and tears.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

Never give in -- never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. -- Churchill

(Seattleified: Always give in -- always, always, always, always . . . )

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honor. I believe it is peace for our time . . . Go home and get a nice quiet sleep. -- British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, the Great Appeaser, after handing over Czechoslovakia to Hitler to avoid war

(Seattleified: Perfect! We wouldn't change a word.)

Hmmm, I can't find any reference beyond her for this comment being linked to Seattle.

There, a point by point counter to the article.
-AND-
A SMACKDOWN liberally applied to yourself.

very nice, you wont defend or disagree
to the points make by malkin,

Strange, I seem to have quoted her repeatedly in that last post.

And for each of those quotes, I pointed out that I can't find any other source to verify her claims.

And you seem to be confused on what "disagree" means. I do disagree with her "points". That should have been clear from my first post.

...you blithely skip past you personal seattle living response to those quotes because you would not be able to provide a distinct view from the seattlised version.

I understand all of those words, but that sentence is, once again, meaningless.

Are you saying that I'd rather light a candle than directly challenge someone?

!!!SMACKDOWN!!!

I'm the one that's been kicking your ass in these forums.

No candles needed.

As for grammer I am having a conversation you are writing a screed. Note the difference.

And, to you, a "conversation" means that your sentences do NOT have to follow basic rules of grammar (starting with a capital letter, having a clear subject and verb and so forth)?

Yeah, whatever.

I must have bounced your head off the floor a little TOO hard when I applied those SMACKDOWNS to your ass.

But, feel free to make any claims you want.

Those nasty Seattle pacifists would rather light a candle than fight, but they keep spanking those tough Alaskan men and taking their lunch money.

boo hoo hoo.

Well, at least you aren't encumbered by the rules of grammar when you point that out in your "conversation".

hee hee hee

But it makes no sense to me.

Excuse me. Does anyone here speak Boxley well enough to translate that for me?

Anyone?

I live in Seattle and I'd rather kick your ass in these forums (as I do on many occasions) than light a candle about it.

And if you were here, I'd take your lunch money, too.

Awwwwww, doesn't that match the "pacifistic" view you have of people who live in Seattle?

!!!SMACKDOWN!!!

/me shakes boxley by he ankles until his lunch money falls out of his pockets.

Now I'm going to buy me a caramel machiatto at Starbucks.

Awwww, doesn't that fit the "pacifistic" fantasy you people have of people who live in Seattle?

Why don't you go get some of those big he-man fisher types from Alaska and I'll take THEIR money too and buy myself a nice lunch down at The Market.

Guess it suck to be you when those non-confrontational pacifists in Seattle keep kicking your ass and taking your money.

hahahahahahhahahaha

From the ORIGINAL article:

The best form of defense is attack. -- Karl von Clausewitz

(Seattleified: The most preferable form of defense is a sit-in, candle lighting, and survival kit with bottled water, Nutella, environmentally safe non-plastic sheeting and homemade cornstarch paste (a non-industrial alternative to duct tape).)

Maybe you need to get some of those candles yourself.