Just out of curosity...

Precisely to whom are we surrendering? Nobody has stepped up to claim victory.
When I was a kid, we were \ufffdThe land of the free\ufffd (said so on the box.) You apparently wish to turn this into the land of the kindasorta safe but not too different than that which we previously said sucks.

Somebody around here has a Jefferson quote for a sig that I feel applies. Says that those who sacrifice freedom for security get neither and deserve it.

Feel free to change our society if you like and if you can. There are a number of things that could be changed for the better. I believe that it is a disservice to our society to surrender the liberties that have made us a society to be envied (there are those who don\ufffdt envy us. You see the staggering numbers of illegal immigrants to Biafra every day.)

I would prefer that we do not surrender until necessary, and possibly not then. I\ufffdm kinda pigheaded that way.

another couple coppers,
Hugh

we yield to expediency and prepare for years of "Emergency Decrees" - for the comfort and security of .. The State.

There's no end in sight for, all the neat little things which can be done to provide more of the illusion of 'safety' - as Washington, Jefferson said in just slightly different wordings (and Tom Paine, Rousseau, ____).

Life is not only unfair - it is un"safe". This may not have occurred to a culture largely self-obsessed, and mainly entertained via celebrity interviews, over past years and ending last Tuesday. Foreign news has been relegated to the truss ads section for decades, in all but specialty US media.

Note that the direction of this Administration, before last Tuesday -- was a pulling-back from world engagement, a return to isolationism -- all called, "being conservative" of course.

Now we see that we cannot proceed without the assistance of others. Ditto re the above thread ~ about, for your safety and convenience, we need a DNA sample for you to get actual cash for this check.

We will see all the POVs looked over, in coming months..

Ashton

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