Post #9,275
9/15/01 10:16:05 AM
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Kids these days.
Saw a bunch of high schoolers whooping it up, cheering, and singing God Bless America. I turned on the news and nothing in particular had happened in the past twelve hours.
I blame it on the public school system. High school is like being on the Big Brother show, or being a Microsoft employee. You're completely isolated from reality, and constantly manipulated. Not a bad thing unless you happen to be smart enough to suspect what's going on. Then it's hell.
It's a great way to train factory workers and cannon fodder, though. They should do a special Daria episode about this.
Here's hoping this war doesn't go into overtime.
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Post #9,286
9/15/01 11:39:53 AM
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cynical reply
Here's hoping this war doesn't go into overtime. Here's hoping the war (if the weasels in Washington have the guts to pursue it) shocks a generation of Americans out of the wussy limp-wristed political correct policies that have plagued us for the past ten or twenty years. Example: Before WTC: Oh, dear ,we gotta let disabled people join the marines. Post WTC: (is my hope) Get your f***ing ass out of here, we're in a war. That no man should scruple, or hesitate a moment to use arms in defense of so valuable a blessing [as freedom], on which all the good and evil of life depends, is clearly my opinion; yet arms ... should be the last resource. - George Washington
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Post #9,470
9/17/01 2:00:52 PM
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Don't discount the disabled.
One nice thing about high tech is it makes physical disability less relevant to one ability to contribute in society. Or even in war.
For better or worse, war is going high tech. You don't have to be able to walk in order to push a button. Paraplegic? Give him an armor plated motorized wheelchair with gun mount. Quadriplegic? Put his brain in a jar and wire it up to a tank.
The next phase in the evolution of war: Daleks!
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Post #9,472
9/17/01 2:05:07 PM
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Cost effectiveness.
How many grunts could you field for the cost of making that armored wheelchair?
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post #9,478
9/17/01 2:21:57 PM
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Grunts indeed.
If we try to armor the foot soldiers as heavily as we can armor that wheelchair, they'll be grunting all right. And groaning. And keeling over from heart attacks.
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Post #9,482
9/17/01 2:37:22 PM
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The tech mistake.
Y'see, give 2-3 grunts AP missile launchers, and fit the rest with standard weapons, no armor. I can almost guarantee you that you'll be able to field 10-20x more people...
Armor is great. Armor is nifty. Armor is useless without infantry support, and costs buckets too. Designing an armored tank for people with disabilities is a nifty idea, but would cost $$$ that could outfit a heck of a lot more people without disabilities to be just as effective. And right now, manpower is a lot cheaper than manufactured goods.
Was it here that I saw the comment on 2-3x F-5s versus 1 F-16? Where 3 F-5s = 1 dead F16, and F-5s cost 1/5 of an F-16?
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post #9,473
9/17/01 2:05:20 PM
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Cost effectiveness.
How many grunts could you field for the cost of making that armored wheelchair?
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post #9,491
9/17/01 3:30:19 PM
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A bit of a clarification
Disabled people certainly can serve the military in non-combat positions - they undoubtedly would like all the computer programmers, scientists, designers, etc. they can recruit.
But the armored wheelchair.... nawwwwww. Or was that more irony?
Rest in peace, Jeremy, Mark, Thomas, and whoever else who helped overpower the hijackers on Flight 93.
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Post #9,495
9/17/01 3:36:08 PM
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Not really
Disabled people certainly can serve the military in non-combat positions - they undoubtedly would like all the computer programmers, scientists, designers, etc. they can recruit.
I was a computer programmer in the military. Several of the people from my unit were deployed as computer support to Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm.
Even though your AFSC may say "Computer Programmer", you may be called upon, and often are even in non-wartime to do a lot more than just write code. FWIW - I'm also M-16 qualified; not a typicla job skill for a programmer
Jay O'Connor
"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
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Post #9,494
9/17/01 3:32:15 PM
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That wouldn't be the proper use for them
Though there is no reason they couldn't work in factories or whatever like the women did in the last WW. Those positions will need to be filled since the women (at least some of them) will be fighting alongside us in this one.
~~~)-Steven----
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Post #9,305
9/15/01 3:07:23 PM
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here in west palm recruiters got no calls from anyone <46yo
absolute silence. Where are these gang bangin wannabe's when the truly tough are needed. Asked my 16yo, she goes "oh is there something like we could do?" Apparently joining up isnt one of them. Rather disgusted at some people at work. Was early on contacting mucky mucks to say we should assist at no charge rebuilding infrastructure. The call went oout to Verizon and the bells who said they would call us if/when needed. Told the crew and stated they were lookin for volunteers, I was going who else. Flat fscking silence, even from some people that really surprised me. they wernt ready to face that. I knew what I was asking and new that family, stuff like that would be very difficult just surprising is all.
thanx,
bill
why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them?
Randy Wayne White
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