That guy bopping Saddam's poster on the nose with his shoe?

Post #92,079 by Another Scott 3/26/03 10:56:30 PM Reply	That guy bopping Saddam's poster on the nose with his shoe? I guess he was showing his displeasure at the GI ripping up the poster at the time as he hammered on Saddam's nose with his shoe and turned around and smiled at the camera, right? ;-) I haven't seen the show in question, and couldn't find it on CBS's web page. But I have seen other pictures of people being very happy that the US was there. Of course you are right that hand gestures can have different meanings in different cultures. In some cultures, shaking one's head side to side means Yes... It depends on the context of the gestures. The world's getting smaller all the time and many, many cultures are aware of gestures that Americans and the British use (from movies and the like). FWIW. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #92,080 by boxley 3/26/03 11:01:35 PM Reply	interesting note, the reporter had an Iraqi who spoke perfect english at the water truck who was very happy that the americans were there. The reporter asked for an on air interview, He looked around and said (according to the reporter) "the place is full of detectives" he would be happy to interview later after the US takes over. Once bit twice shy I guess. Oh yeah, if you're antiwar dont flash the peace sign at brits, head butt will follow. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #92,082 by cybermace5 3/26/03 11:04:32 PM Reply	Re: That guy bopping Saddam's poster on the nose with his sh [link\|http://www.geocities.com/smwenneryeaman/CultureGuideNonVerbal.html\|http://www.geocities...ideNonVerbal.html] Yeah. Link above is Geocities but surprisingly coherent. Excerpt: The "thumbs up" gesture to indicate success or to wish someone good luck will generally be understood throughout the UAE. So it's not so set in stone. There may be some old truth to it, but that might have died out...or become ambiguous. Most sites bringing this up are sour-grapes blogs referring to other blogs...too bad that a little misinformation isn't going to make the world say "Oh, now I get it, they are really flipping us off."
Post #92,084 by boxley 3/26/03 11:13:08 PM Reply	Now I have never been to Iraq but have visited the general neighborhood, Afghanistan, Pakistan in the seventies so am assuming the gesture is the same as those areas. To check stand outside a mosque friday night and thumbsup the men that look arabic when they come out. Report back what you find out. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #92,085 by cybermace5 3/26/03 11:19:29 PM Reply	Re: Now I have never been to Iraq but have visited the Maybe they think thumbs up is offensive over here? Kind of like if an Arab made a big show of raising his heel to you, you'd be offended.... Plus you were a dirty American.
Post #92,090 by boxley 3/26/03 11:40:57 PM Reply	I might be a dirty american but at least I have seen more countries than most. Clue by four taco bell isnt representative of hispanic cuisine. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #92,095 by a6l6e6x 3/26/03 11:56:48 PM Reply	Re: taco bell isnt representative? How can that be? They use a chiuaua mascot! :) Ai, caramba! Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #92,096 by dmarker 3/26/03 11:59:17 PM Reply	I would interpret the thumbs up as OK. Some variations: In Iraq they will insult your moustache. 'Curse be upon your moustache' Funnily, as kids in New Zealand we used to yell 'poo to your letterbox' as an insult. I haven't heard that one since other than in items about the past (left NZ at age 6). The V sign (as we have discussed some months back) has two ways of doing it and two distinct meanings. With the inside of the fingers facing you and your fingers slightly bent, it is a pommie way of saying 'get f*ed' and derives from when about 2000 british longbowmen slaughtered 7000 Frenchmen at Agincourt in the 15th century. After that the French when capturing English longbowmen would cut off those 2 fingers (string pulling ones) so when a Brit showed those two fingers it was his way of saying 'you are done for (or fed)'. The other V sign is when the fingers are held stiff and the backs of them are to you (the V signee). This came from Winston Churchill and meant V for Victory. In Japan people (esp the young) use the sign a lot to mean 'Peace and Happiness'. I don't have any explanation for the origin of the middle finger salute. I am not sure where it eminated but I know its intent <grin>. As for the thumb sign. In England it was always used as a sign of solidarity, in Australia, as a "she'll be right mate". i.e. Everything is going OK. Now then, we have the 2 fingers (the pointing fingers) crossed, we take that to mean bad or evil or 'the devil'. The V signs and thumbs up I saw in the news reports struck me as very positive signs of support. Cheers Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today* - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #92,097 by cybermace5 3/27/03 12:03:28 AM Reply	Who are you, and what have you done with dmarker?
Post #92,273 by dmarker 3/27/03 6:49:36 PM Reply	Meaning ??? (please don't get mystical like Box does) <g> Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003

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