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New Yes, there is hope
[link|http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/03/23/do2305.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/03/23/ixop.html|Human shieldism can be cured]

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The human shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see Saddam removed.

We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the US and UK governments.

I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad, Iraq good". He looked at me with an expression of incredulity.

As he realised I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he would kill your whole family.

It scared the hell out of me. First I was thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you."

Of course I had read reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing. Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous, emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from Saddam's tyrannical Iraq.

I became increasingly concerned about the way the Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and the threat of an aerial bombardment.

"Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America to bomb Saddam."

We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war.

The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had.

Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?"
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
No oil for TotalFinaElf!
CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere!
Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New And, once again, the facts don't support that.
The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had.
I guess those are Iraqi people that captured those US troops.
New No matter how many times you repeat it, it's still not true.
Reality can't be browbeaten into submission, and neither can I. But the Republican Guard and Fedayeen can, and will, be obliterated.

Give it up, man. You're beaten. Now you're even trying to pass off these thugs as "the Iraqi people?" Gads, that is so pathetic.

P.S. On the off chance you're getting paid by Saddam's regime directly, better cash that check fast. And tighten your belt, becuase there won't be any more coming.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
No oil for TotalFinaElf!
CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere!
Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New You claim they aren't Iraqi?
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=90393|Yes they are.]

What was that about lies and liars?

:D
New Nobody ever said Saddam was not evil
In fact, most people agree that he IS evil.

However, the US has no legal justification for attacking a sovereign nation just because the leader is "evil". If that were justification, there, NK, Saudi Arabia, China, and a host of other countries. Are we going to go after each of them?

And Saddam as evil was not the declared reason for attacking.

Each of the stated "reasons" have yet to be demonstated as valid.

[link|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com|Joe]
New Re: Nobody ever said Saddam was not evil
Proper diplomacy and a coherent multi-national plan after 9/11 would have netted Saddam, bin Laden, and perhaps even provided an opportunity to fire weapons.

So far, no Saddam, no Bin Laden. Lots of open open space and only 10 divisions.
-drl
     Yes, there is hope - (marlowe) - (5)
         And, once again, the facts don't support that. - (Brandioch) - (4)
             No matter how many times you repeat it, it's still not true. - (marlowe) - (3)
                 You claim they aren't Iraqi? - (Brandioch)
                 Nobody ever said Saddam was not evil - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                     Re: Nobody ever said Saddam was not evil - (deSitter)

Man... licensed to kill gophers.
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