This author teds to oversimplify & repeat propaganda

Post #89,568 by dmarker 3/19/03 7:47:35 PM 3/19/03 8:06:06 PM Reply	This author teds to oversimplify & repeat propaganda I have read him each week for the past few months & formed the opinion that he doesn't do really deep research & is trying to tread a narrow line between honesty & not offending his editor-in-chief & the Republican admin. His characterization of Hussien regiem is partly fair but also partly propaganda detail. I know he is concerned about how the US is being seen by others. He does travel & he does seek to probe. I will add more comments here as I digest more of the article (only got 1/4 way thru at this point. ##2 The 2nd & 3rd parts of the article are interesting. Parts are worth debating with him. In essence what I read as his botom line is my own argument that Bush-Cheney & Rumzfeldt have screwed up in handling their mission & that yes the US & its citizens will be in for a torrid time unless there is quick progress in restoring Iraq & finding a satisfactory settlement to the Palestinian question This bit is interesting >> Yet none of these actions seems to earn him any good will. The reason for this is plain. In almost every case, the administration comes to multilateralism grudgingly, reluctantly, and with a transparent lack of sincerity. For a year now, President Bush has dismissed the notion that he should make any effort toward a Middle East peace process, even though it would have defused some of the anti-Americanism in the region as he sought to confront Iraq. Suddenly last week, to gain allies on Iraq and at the insistence of Tony Blair, Bush made a belated gesture toward the peace process. Is it surprising that people are not hailing this last-minute conversion? << Doug Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003 Edited by dmarker March 19, 2003, 08:06:06 PM EST Expand All History
Post #89,578 by Ashton 3/19/03 8:40:40 PM Reply	I don't think he's trying for intricacy (and his broader points are already too 'difficult' for the idealogues to seriously ponder; that would be to break the emotional High of that felt Certainty..) What IMhO has stymied most honest and thorough studies of the 'plans' of this admin re Iraq - is the overt insincerity [mentioned] of their every utterance. Unshamed by the fact that most anyone can limn the next Messianic Message with good accuracy - not only Americans but everyone has been patronized. Only that usually connotes "explaining the obvious to an unnecessary degree". With Dubya speaking, it is never clear that he has grasped the significance of what they wrote for him. How can you debate the BOTH pigheaded AND mentally unarmed? The increasing likelihood that this Iraq event is merely an opening salvo of a Fundamentalist Master Plan for Literal US Empire... [?] That is my scale of question, just now and just before the Shock & Awe game has commenced: yes there may well be 'plans' -- but we aren't apt to learn of them for some time, and never via any honest revelation. How quickly can a Juggernaut be turned around? / Can.. a US President be actually impeached before the next mischief triggers Unthinkable madness via the Law of Accident? (Especially when we have no opposition party here, at all; just Republicrats, and a handful only, with guts.) Ashton
Post #89,721 by johnu 3/20/03 8:29:45 AM Reply	The master plan The increasing likelihood that this Iraq event is merely an opening salvo of a Fundamentalist Master Plan for Literal* US Empire...* You are partially correct. There is a master plan to install a democratic government in Iraq and work to spread democracy throughout the middle east. As for the empire part, if you consider democracies part of a literal US empire, then we already have quite a large empire. Regards, John Urberg
Post #89,736 by cwbrenn 3/20/03 10:07:18 AM Reply	A plan for a REAL democracy? So what happens if they hold an honest-to-God genyooine election and elect someone who wants nothing whatsoever to do with the United States? I mean, we've overthrown legitimately elected leaders of nations before... "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #89,756 by Brandioch 3/20/03 11:33:50 AM Reply	Like in Afghanistan? Oh, our current regime FORGOT to include money for Afghanistan in the budget. Oooops. Instead of talking about fantasies, why don't we stick with verifiable facts? There was the same "master plan" to turn Afghanistan into a Democracy. The pipeline is going through...... Democracy does not exist..... There will not be any increase in US governmental aid to Afghanistan. Seems to me that the "master plan" centers around fuel.

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