So you are just going to let it pass you by?

Post #89,504 by imric 3/19/03 4:19:36 PM Reply	So you are just going to let it pass you by? Clearly the people here are better technically than I am these days Heh - collectively, the people here surpass most people ANYWHERE, I think. and I really have nothing constructive to contribute Because you aren't the final authority on everything 'computing'? I think not! Look - _I_ contribute, and the only thing I'm any kind of authority about is (was - I'm getting out of date, as well) the AS/400. Contributing can be asking the right questions, stimulating discussion, exposing weakness... If you are logical about it, rather than letting the 'accumulated bile from 20 years of impatience with this "business"' dominate your posts, then you can run with anybody here. I've learned more here than anywhere else on the 'Net - and possibly more than from any 'one' source anywhere in my life. You don't like to deal with the business of computing anymore? Hell - DON'T, then! I got into computing as a hobby, writing games for an old NCR Century 101 - that it made me money was a happy coincidence, really. There is more than business to tech. The 'Net has added social function to computing, for example. Hell, a 20-year perspective alone is important to bring to the table. computing is passing me by, and it pisses me off. So don't let it. You don't have to. I'm not. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #89,509 by admin 3/19/03 4:46:20 PM Reply	Seconded. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #89,513 by deSitter 3/19/03 4:55:27 PM Reply	Re: So you are just going to let it pass you by? I've just lost all patience! And I'm too old to worry about new things. Anyway I'm a ~~BOSS~~ now :) -drl
Post #89,515 by admin 3/19/03 4:58:07 PM Reply	Don't be a PHB. Down that path lies the Dark Side of the source, Duke. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #89,516 by deSitter 3/19/03 5:00:28 PM Reply	Re: Don't be a PHB. Did you like my little stink wafties? Thanks CwB :) -drl
Post #89,517 by cwbrenn 3/19/03 5:02:04 PM Reply	Aw shucks :) Always glad to help. :D "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #89,524 by imric 3/19/03 5:34:07 PM Reply	Old? So what? Hell - I've been programming fer 25 years, now. I'm a doddering old man in this business! As to patience, well - THAT I understand. Still - to withdraw? To give up learning? And then to give up spreading that learning around? I can't see that as a satisfying answer. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #89,525 by admin 3/19/03 5:35:52 PM Reply	Bah... if that qualifies as doddering... 22 years here... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #89,527 by imric 3/19/03 6:01:03 PM Reply	chuckle Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #89,545 by lincoln 3/19/03 6:24:55 PM Reply	Doddering here too 21 years if you only count getting paid for it; 25 years if we go back to my first programming course as a freshman, and 26 1/2 years if we throw in playing games on the old PLATO network connecting the state university system in Illinois. lincoln "Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig" [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/resume.htm\|VB/SQL/Tandem resume] [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #89,600 by Silverlock 3/19/03 9:12:04 PM Reply	Ahh, Plato. Who else played on that system? It never died, just morphed. The precurser to Lotus Notes (as bad as it may be) and to my own company's product. (A distributed lesson/testing environment) Some great games though. Anyone remember the D&D knockoff regarding medicine? Points to anyone who gets it. The world is only a simple place to the simple.
Post #89,712 by lincoln 3/20/03 7:46:20 AM Reply	Nope - I played "Saitank" Multi player tank game. One hack I learned was how to make an opponent think you were close enough to shoot him. It would cause a person's screen to flash a BOOM, they'd panic and start moving, then you'd know where they were and blast them. lincoln "Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig" [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/resume.htm\|VB/SQL/Tandem resume] [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #89,753 by tjsinclair 3/20/03 11:20:58 AM Reply	First CP class -- 26 yrs ago However, if we count from my first techie job (at AT&T) - 19 yrs. On the other hand, first programming gig -- 17 yrs ago. To paraphrase Firesign Theater: We're all old farts on this bus. Tom Sinclair "Man, I love it when the complete absence of a plan comes together." - [link\|http://radio.weblogs.com/0104634/\|Ernie the Attorney]
Post #89,758 by admin 3/20/03 11:44:23 AM Reply	Well, I need to come clean on my 22 years... 1981, First BASIC program on an Atari 800. ;-) First CS class in HS, 1983. First CS class in college, 1988. First CS job, 1989 (FoxBase on Xenix, of all things). So, 22 years programming, 20 years being taught programming, 14 years programming for hire. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #89,942 by tuberculosis 3/20/03 11:27:47 PM Reply	I'll be in the nursery First paid gig 1991. 12 years. "I made up the term 'object-oriented', and I can tell you I didn't have C++ in mind" - Alan Kay, OOPSLA '97
Post #89,572 by deSitter 3/19/03 8:28:06 PM Reply	Dude - I can still use a slide rule :) -drl
Post #89,596 by imric 3/19/03 9:04:09 PM Reply	chuckle Makes a great 'party trick' dunnit? Though I haven't used one in years, myself... Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #89,597 by deSitter 3/19/03 9:06:19 PM Reply	Re: chuckle Makes a great 'party trick' dunnit? Girlfriend: "What's this for?" Me: "Logarithms." -drl
Post #89,542 by lincoln 3/19/03 6:20:48 PM Reply	Seconded I started following the forums on Infoworld's site to be educated and entertained, in that order. I saw that the active posters just blew the doors off me when it came to overall technical knowledge when I compare myself to them. They still do today. I've tagged along from IWETHEY to here, have learned quite a lot from the people here, and started contributing when possible by asking questions and giving info where I could help out. Give or take a couple of very mild arguments, I visit daily because I want to be here, reading, posting, learning, and having an overall good time. While the sentiment about "business" taking all of the fun out of computing is right on (remember how much fun it was to read a PC magazine in 1990, or go into an Egghead store to see the latest software and hardware?), and while the technical advances have started to leave me behind, I plan on chasing after them for the mental challenge and the potential profit margins. lincoln "Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig" [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/resume.htm\|VB/SQL/Tandem resume] [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #89,762 by Nightowl 3/20/03 12:06:16 PM Reply	Re: Seconded Well, I don't pretend to know much about the technical side of computing, but at least I try to understand it, and do my best to learn what I can about it. And at least I admit I sometimes ask dumb questions, but hey, I learn from em! Nightowl >8# (Who wishes she knew how to build her OWN computer so she could fix Andrei all by herself!) "Only dead fish swim with the stream." Linda Ellerbee

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