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New upgraded hardware - is there a recommended eCS update order?
Last time I upgraded my system I'd gotten the state-of-the-art K6 350MHz - yep it's been a while :-)

I picked up a Soyo KT333 Ultra Platinum Edition(it includes a USB panel w/compact flash reader that goes in a drive bay), Athlon 2000 and 2 512MB DDR2700 DIMMs.

Forgot how much fun dealing with hardware changes can be :-/

First off, after swapping out the motherboad the system would hang during boot. Wasn't too surprised, lots of built-in devices replaced cards, so I did a reinstall. Had forgotten about the SCSI issues with eCS during an install, but found some updated boot disks at the [link|http://www.ecomstation.com|eCS site] that took care of that problem(I think I installed off CD 2 last time)

Had problems with the built in RealTek LAN. The driver off the RealTek website(V3.23 7/28/99) would lock up the system during the boot sequence. I tracked down a newer driver(v3.23vk 8/9/02) at [link|http://pws.prserv.net/mckinnis/nicpak|Chuck McKinnis' NICPAK page] and cleared up that problem.

Once I got past the NIC issue, I kept having programs abort(SYS3170 & SYS3175) and system crashes(Trap 000d & Trap 000e). Some research seemed to suggest memory problems and sure enough after removing one of the DIMMs the problem went away(of course, it was the 2nd DIMM I tried).

I have the onboard sound(C-Media 8738) working via the OS/2 port of the Linux ALSA driver. Now to get the new joystick port working(wonder whatever happened with the USB Joystick drivers Markus was working on...)

Now to start the updates. Anybody know if there's a specific order for installing the eCS updates?

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Get the new eCS Maintenance Tool
and use that.

I'd suggest updating any drivers that are suggested by the fixtool, and then applying fixpack 3. You'll probably then want to install the latest tcpip stack (4.32) and then any hotfixes that have been released for it. Also, check out the latest kernel on the site; there was a problem with some systems with more than 512 MB RAM that was fixed by a kernel release; it doesn't sound like it's your problem, but it's worth a shot unless you know that one of the DIMMs is defective.

The latest version of the eCS Maintenance Tool is version 1.12, released on the 30th January. It will proffer a complete list of all fixes available at the eComStation.com website. You can use it to apply all of the fixes available.

I'd install it on a drive with a fair bit of spare space on it, unless you want to tell it to redirect the downloads to a separate drive.

When you first fire it up, it'll ask you which drive it should update, and list all the bootable partitions that seem to have eCS on it. Before selecting the drive, take a quick tour through the "Tools" menu item, which will let you configure the fixtool.

After you've got that all set up, select your boot drive and click on OK. Take a troll through the "Downloads" menu item to have it download any updates you might want; it will present you with a complete list of what's available on the ftp site after you've configured the fix client. Do that by selecting "Status" from the menu, and filling in your website userid and password, and clicking the "Retrieve FTP Logon" button. Close it up, and it should be ready to go. Select the fixes you want from the list. It will download them to the download directory you specified from the Tools menu, and unzip them to the fix directory you sepecified from the Tools menu. After that, use the items in the Updates menu to actually apply the updates.

After you take a look at it, report back and say what you think; I know that Chuck McInnes has put a LOT of work into making the tool as good as he can. If you haven't seen it before, I would really like to see what you have to say about it. I'm sure that any feedback you could give would be useful in terms of improving the tool.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Thanx!
I hadn't updated my system in a long time, it ran fine so I didn't worry about it. I'll let ya know what I think about the update tool.

I'm positive it was a bad DIMM - I removed one DIMM and the problem remained. Put it back in and removed the other DIMM and the problem cleared up. I'll probably put the new kernel in anyway since I'll have 1GB once I exchange the defective one.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New aaaarrrrggghhh
dunno what I did, but late last night I hosed up the system. Last thing I did was the MPTS update and now the system won't boot.

At least the install takes less than 6 minutes now.

I've been taking (lots of)notes and will give a full report once I've got everything going again. Short summary - nice but confusing.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New What's the message at boot time?
--\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\r\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\r\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New LI_
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New LI_ - trying to boot on Lilo - can't find Linux
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New It's a joke son... A JOKE!
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New no message, hard lock
doesn't even respond to C-A-D.

I already wiped the drive and reinstalled before I went to bed. I'm going to install the updates tonight to see if I can recreate the problem.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Did you get to the boot blob? Alt-F2 can also be very handy.
--\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\r\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\r\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New sure did
I did the reinstall w/out thinking about alt-F2, that's what I get for staying up too late and working on the computer when I should have been in bed.

I used alt-F2 last week when trying to figure out the problems with the new motherboard's built-in NIC.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New TCP/IP 4.32 install consistantly fails
intall gets to 73% with the status bar showing "Updating: C:\\AUTOEXEC.BAT". I get a beep and the Netscape window locks up. I let the system sit a while(5 minutes) and eventually killed the TCP/IP installation task. The eCS Maintenance Tool continued as if the installation was successful and installed the Dialog Enhancer updates for TCP/IP 4.3x.

Prior to install TCP/IP I installed
  1. Base Device Drivers Fixpack 3
  2. Convenience Package FixPak 3
  3. kernel 14.093d_w4
  4. MPTS LAPS 4.32
  5. MPTS LAPS 4.3x fixpack WR08707
System seems to be running, I can get to the internet, but I wonder if the state the system's been left in could cause problems later.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Well, better tcpip than mpts.
Still, that doesn't sound good. I have no idea why that would be happening to you at all; that install routine's IBM authored, and all I can say is that it worked here.

It won't affect any "third party" programs you have, like moz or netscape; they only interact with mpts. It's mostly a question of whether you have a complete set of tcpip apps installed or not.

Can you see if it left some kind of a log?

Do you want me to email you a file listing of my \\tcpip\\ folder, to compare with yours?
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New idea
might it be Netscape version? I use Mozilla so whatever version was installed by default is what's there - (checking) - Communicator 4.61

TCP/IP functions seem to work - command line ping, ftp, telnet.

Checking the TCPIP folders I see:
  • BIN - most files dated 9-17-01. A few *.cmd files(admin_pw.cmd, binlscpc.cmd, binlscps.cmd and others) are 3-18-03
  • DLL - all are 9-17-01
  • and so on for the rest.

My email is dspice at houston dot rr dot com

Thanx!
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Sent - check your inbox
--\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\r\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\r\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New got it - thanx!
I won't be working on the system until this weekend, mom's back in town for a few days before she returns to Mexico.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New eCS Maint Tool comments
first off - slick - like it a lot better than the old way of dealing with updates.

Initial thoughts - confusing. Setup wasn't intuitive, update flow was odd. I'd consider setting this up using a tabbed interface with the following tabs:
  1. Available Downloads
    show only those items you haven't yet downloaded. If you don't have access to it(ie: no upgrade protection), don't show it. Be better than the "download failed"
  2. Update Status
    show downloaded updates and status - installed, ready to install, or has prerequisite(ie: to install TCP/IP 4.32 you need to first install MPTS 4.32) For updates that will auto-install other updates, show the other updates grouped with it(ie: all those various device drivers that get installed after base device drivers fixpak 3.). I wasted time installing updates that were reinstalled later.
  3. Config
    User logon info


First run I'd show the Config Tab. From then on always start at Availabe Downloads.

The SciTech Display Doctor downloaded successfully, but does not show up on the update selection list.

JFS update was applied, but the Applied Date was not updated.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Re: eCS Maint Tool comments
Just on the side...

Did you apply the jfs update before or after fixpack 3? The JFS update is older than the JFS in fixpack 3; otoh, some people claim it's better.

Hence our efforts on the 1.1 installer:)

Is it OK if I pass your comments on to Chuck McInnes? Or would you like to do so yourself? Or... ? :)
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Re: eCS Maint Tool comments
Did you apply the jfs update before or after fixpack 3? The JFS update is older than the JFS in fixpack 3; otoh, some people claim it's better.

after - it's the last update I installed. I'll be doing others later(like the SciTech update)

Hence our efforts on the 1.1 installer:)
Cool - my dad's been asking about the release date for 1.1. He's missing OS/2 and his new laptop has plenty of room to multi-boot(he's got Linux on it already).

Is it OK if I pass your comments on to Chuck McInnes? Or would you like to do so yourself? Or... ? :)
sure thing. Make sure he knows I really appreciate the effort :-)
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New I know it's too late, but I think I know the cause.
Hi Darryl,

In this thread, and a couple of others, you mentioned problems with your Soyo Dragon Ultra hardware. I had posted [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=93068"|here] that I had good luck with the Soyo Dragon+ and Win2k. Well, some fighting with the system this week has convinced me that you were probably correct in returning it.

The system I have is:

Antec case with Antec 400 W PS
Soyo Dragon+
Athlon XP 1900+ with Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu HS/fan
512 MB DDR-RAM (Kingmax, I think)
Matrox G550 video card
Tekram DC390U3W Ultra160 SCSI card (Symbios/LSI Logic chipset)
Fujitsu U160 36 GB 10krpm hard drive
Plextor IDE CD-RW
LiteOn IDE 52x CD
Floppy.
Win2k + SP2

Initially when I put the system together, I had a terrible time getting the SCSI BIOS to find the Fujitsu hard drive. I was flummoxed to the point that I called Fujitsu. Eventually, I got the idea to try a different PCI slot for it, and it worked. It only worked in slot 5 (the bottom slot, farthest from the AGP port) of the slots I tried.

The system was very reliable and seemed fine until I had to add a USB printer and that too caused some grief. I had to move the BIOS out of "Turbo" (IIRC) mode to get the USB ports to be active. (This is mentioned on Soyo's web page and in the User Guide for the board, but they don't say why.)

The PC is used to control some equipment, so it has a PCI RS-485 board to talk to some temperature controllers. That was installed in PCI slot #4. It worked fine. It was in this configuration for several months.

Also, the PC had a microprocessor-controlled I/O board from Microstar Labs. That was in slot #2. For some reason, we could never get the board to act properly. It would run the example program fine, but in moving windows around over the output window, the PC would usually lockup forcing a hard reset. The programming information for the board wasn't terribly clear, so we kept putting off trying to figure out what was going on. I thought maybe the G550 driver and/or BIOS might need an update, but I hate changing things on the 'chance' it'll fix it....

Eventually we gave up on the Microstar Labs board as it was taking too long to figure out. Instead we bought a IOTech DaqBoard/2000 as a colleague was using one and knew all about programming it. (It's also substantially cheaper than the Microstar Labs board.) The IOTech board was installed in slot #2.

This week we've been fighting with random hard lockups on the PC. Sometimes it would run for 10+ hours, sometimes for a couple of minutes. But it seemed correlated with initializing or using the IOTech board.

The CPU wasn't getting to hot, and the PC ran 24/7 for months before the IOTech board was used.

We tried dropping the FSB to 100 MHz (from 133 MHz) with no improvement.

We were almost to the point of installing an IDE disk, transferring everything from the SCSI drive, booting off it, removing the SCSI card, and seeing if the system was stable then.

But then I started remembering the problems I had with the SCSI card....

It turns out that if the IOTech board is in the bottom slot (#5) and the Tekram SCSI board is next (#4) and the RS-485 board is next (#3), then everything works fine. At least it has so far. <fingers crossed>

There seems to be a timing problem with the Soyo Dragon+ when additional PCI cards are added. Google's USENET cache has stories of people using video capture boards, etc., that have had the same problem. Soyo's web page suggests using the bottom slot as well if you have probems (but again, they don't say why).

So, do you remember which slot you tried to use your SCSI card in? If it wasn't the bottom slot, then I'd guess that maybe the bottom one would have worked. It would indicate to me that Soyo hasn't solved the timing problem (or whatever it is) on the Dragon Ultra either.

Just thought I'd pass this along as a warning to others if you need to add PCI cards to your system. I hope it helps.

Cheers,
Scott.
New thanx
Don't recall which slot, but I'm sure it wasn't the bottom as I have a large tower case with the drives at the top.

The new system's been running well, just 2 minor problems -the 60+ second pause during bootup and bootable CDs hang the system. I suspect a BIOS issue but don't see any updates to the old SCSI card I have.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
     upgraded hardware - is there a recommended eCS update order? - (SpiceWare) - (20)
         Get the new eCS Maintenance Tool - (jake123) - (17)
             Thanx! - (SpiceWare)
             aaaarrrrggghhh - (SpiceWare) - (7)
                 What's the message at boot time? -NT - (jake123) - (6)
                     LI_ -NT - (folkert) - (2)
                         LI_ - trying to boot on Lilo - can't find Linux -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                             It's a joke son... A JOKE! -NT - (folkert)
                     no message, hard lock - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                         Did you get to the boot blob? Alt-F2 can also be very handy. -NT - (jake123) - (1)
                             sure did - (SpiceWare)
             TCP/IP 4.32 install consistantly fails - (SpiceWare) - (4)
                 Well, better tcpip than mpts. - (jake123) - (3)
                     idea - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                         Sent - check your inbox -NT - (jake123) - (1)
                             got it - thanx! - (SpiceWare)
             eCS Maint Tool comments - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                 Re: eCS Maint Tool comments - (jake123) - (1)
                     Re: eCS Maint Tool comments - (SpiceWare)
         I know it's too late, but I think I know the cause. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             thanx - (SpiceWare)

We're talking "filled with angry bees" levels of agony.
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