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New What is it with PHBs and racing sculls?
Why do the empty suits always have to hang up pictures of racing sculls?

Not that I'm complaining -- it's a good way to detect an infestation.

- pdmoderator
New It's the private school association

They get it from private school... where the new aristocracy send their kids to get educated.

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New Oh. I was thinking more like "self-indulgent scum"
..like those dweebers who go on "adventure team-building" outings.
-drl
New Isn't that what I said?

Having had the opportunity to pass quite a bit of time with the private school crowd (Queen's is the very definition of an upper class university in Canada) there are quite a few people who went to places like Upper Canada College that learned the lesson of their own superiority very well.

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If they had pictures of white water rafts, that would fit more with the corporate sponsored team-building exercise...

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New Scullduggery...

A few thoughts.

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First, full disclosure: I'm neither PHB nor private school (contract\r\nprogrammer / sysadmin, University of California). That said, crew's big\r\nat UC. But I didn't do it. However I did take up the activity when I\r\nwas living in Sausalito (the Blessed Ex got me into it, one of several\r\nof her good points).

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At various points in my life I've swum, biked, backpacked, played\r\nwater polo, cross-country skiied, and other activities (I guess I'm a\r\ngeek jock). Sculling blows doors on any other activity for its total\r\nworkout (x-country and swimming are close seconds). Typical Saturday\r\nplan was: hit the dock at 9 (we were recent members, hence the bad\r\ntimeslot). Get in thirty minutes of good sculling on smooth water, and\r\nan hour and a half of battling chop. Anything over 6" is chop, and I've\r\nrowed through 2' - 3' swells. When your ass is sitting 4" over the\r\nwater, any wave action is significant. Back on shore, shower,\r\nhit the deli, suck down 3000 calories, and crash out for the rest of the\r\nday. Caluses like armorplate. And some serious butt-rash from the bay\r\nwater.

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You've got a few basic configurations for rowing: solo and \r\ntwo-man sculls, and four, six, and eight-man boats. From four on up\r\nyou've got one oar per person.

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What's the PHB appeal? Watching your wake stretch out behind you\r\nwith perfect oar drops for a quarter mile over smooth water with morning\r\nmists hanging over the bay is beautiful. The sense of power\r\nand efficiency (sculls & crew boats are far faster than other\r\nhuman-powered watercraft) are palpable. For the sculls, solo\r\nepitomizes, well, solo effort. You're out there alone on the water.\r\nProperly handling a two-man craft requires matching your partner -- and\r\nyou're partners, equals, perfectly. In the larger boats, you've got the\r\nideal of the team, including the useless guy at the back of the boat\r\nyelling at everyone. It's an appealing metaphor for an idealized\r\nworkplace. And yes, the upper-class connotations are significant.

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Rowing isn't the only sport you'll find in the 'zec suite. It's one\r\nof the more common ones, but there are also the pointless outdoors\r\nshots, runners, cyclists, swimmers, etc. Most personifying personal\r\neffort or a melding of man and machine. Figuring out why this resonates\r\nshouldn't be hard.

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But, if you're into athletic stuff, it's a great, demanding,\r\nrewarding, and spiritual workout. A bit pricy, but not much different\r\nfrom the cost of a gym. Far more bang for the buck (unless there's\r\nother banging you're interested in).

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New Sculling vs kyak
having kyaked and canued in lots of different type of water courses I will agree it is a great workout. Never having tried sculling and I will assume you have done both, is there any differences.
thanx,
bill
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New You did not mention that in the long multi person scull...
you need to row as one. If you don't you will be severely bruised by those in front or back of you. Real teamwork where one cannot do one's own thing!

At least this is what one of my college roommates told me. I never tried.

Canoes are something else. When my son was in the Boy Scouts I went canoeing on a 50-mile loop in the Fulton Chain Lakes in the Adirondacks (NY State) as well as some rapids down the Delaware River on another occasion.
Alex

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New Re: You did not mention that in the long multi person scull.
you need to row as one. If you don't you will be severely bruised by those in front or back of you. Real teamwork where one cannot do one's own thing!
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Yeah, I learned that one the hard way in high school. That's where I also learned about the upper-crusty nature of rowing, from the coach. I was cut without undergoing the time test that was supposed to determine who was on the team, as I wasn't the "right kind" of person to row.

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Canoes are something else. When my son was in the Boy Scouts I went canoeing on a 50-mile loop in the Fulton Chain Lakes in the Adirondacks (NY State) as well as some rapids down the Delaware River on another occasion.
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Now there's something I know about. The longest trip I ever did was about 200 miles in the Temagami region in Northern Ontario... that was a gruelling haul down the Lady Evelyn River and through a whole lotta lakes. Another place that I highly recommend to anyone who is into canoeing is Killarney, on the northern shore of the Georgian Bay. Absolutely breathtaking. The view from Silver Peak is incredible, and the view north along Killarney Lake has to be seen to be believed.

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New rowing as one
you must follow the stroke's (the person in front of the coxswain) lead. In practice that means you do what the person in front of you does otherwise it doesn't work. If you're the stroke you have to keep in mind that there are seven people behind you, so you can't change the rate too suddenly or things go badly. Setting up (balancing) a shell with 8 guys each with a 12ft(? I don't remember any more) oar is far harder than it looks. There can't be any "stars"; everyone must work together all the time.

The sight and sound of a strong crew moving a boat through the water is poetry.

I was on the [link|http://web.uvic.ca/atrsweb/vikes/MensRowing/index.html|UVic rowing crew] in 1983-84. Man, was it really so long ago...
Have fun,
Carl Forde
New Are you looking for one of your own?
Think of how this would look on the wall of your office:

[link|http://www.despair.com/gettowork.html|http://www.despair.com/gettowork.html]

     What is it with PHBs and racing sculls? - (pdmoderator) - (9)
         It's the private school association - (jake123) - (2)
             Oh. I was thinking more like "self-indulgent scum" - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Isn't that what I said? - (jake123)
         Scullduggery... - (kmself) - (4)
             Sculling vs kyak - (boxley)
             You did not mention that in the long multi person scull... - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                 Re: You did not mention that in the long multi person scull. - (jake123)
                 rowing as one - (cforde)
         Are you looking for one of your own? - (morganek)

Eschew obfuscation.
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