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New G4 bought -
WOW!! what a gorgeous thingie - it would be a work of art even if it didn't work (put your CP/M mb inside..)

1.42 Ghz dual proc. 512 MB soon to be 1 Gb. Superdrive, superb looking flat-wide display - what's on it and the physical form.

Seems dealers think of Apple Corporate about what others think of Dell.. :(
WAR is everywhere in the psyches, all around.

What a treat, after all this Billy stuff.. It just feels like QUALITY and not Intel tinfoil. Even the kb, in heavy acrylic - feels good, is weighted properly - and makes the Billyware crap seem like recycled McD kiddie toys from China: $8 keyboards worth every penny.

Second video for panorama, with her old 15" TFT. Move mouse right, see it appear in #2. Gotta see this thing do some real graphics work. Up & running w/o cracking the (too miniscule) manual.

If only I had an excuse ...

New I am *way* jealous. Sounds tops
John. Busy lad.
New See? Once you try Mac, you never go back! ;-)
Now you obviously have an idea why those of us who love Macs, do. If you give in and treat yourself, you will fully understand.

Brian Bronson
New Obv. newbie/lazy Questions
OS-X 10.2.3 it's got.

Anyone get a deskjet combo (fax, scan print, wash/dry) thingie working with it? - HP website is a mite disorganized re problems with their installer for 10.2.2. Maybe .3 fixes the glitch.

Open Office - avail in OS-X-able form? Seems they want to peddle her a Real Deal - Beast-Office for $200ish instead of $1000 [!! THAT price I don't Believe..] Wouldn't want to see her data lost in M$ formats, if at all avoidable. (Even if OO is also compatible - at least I Hope they aren't also registering every saved file to a machine S/N too).

Mozilla for OS-X? She LOVES tabbed browsing after I put it on the Dell notebook, (after I got her on a decent local ISP, installed ZA and WW -- so MSN is wiped also forever.) She'll still have to keep Doze stuff alive in head: found bad memory in the Dell notebook -- and Cheap upgrade to a total of 144 MB. {sigh} \ufffd is SUCH a time-wasting punctilious form of self flagellation.

A couple fav links for learning stuff, telling newbies what Apple calls a File Manager, translations from dumb-speak into information about all this shiny new stuff? (I gotta assume that any ATA- drive will work in the -33 -66 and -100 HD slots - when reformatted.. but.. can I read off a DOS partition for mere file xfers w/o fancy prestidigitation? I mean.. Linux will and BSD- surely must too; and - and -)

DAMN that monitor is BAAD -- like Kodachrome slides in the old dye-transfer process.. it seems almost Real Analogue!

If it weren't for Knoppix, Debian.. I'd be tempted to fill a trash box with all this McD crap and become a Winesap er Applet.

New Box didnt come with AppleWorks? Does everything orofice
can do and can use Winblows file formats.
Goto Moz and download chimera(moz for OSX)
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New Gracias..
Noted and will send her to Moz, look at what's on her install DVD.

(Gotta go look in my POBox some day soon, when all this pee Cee stuff fades)

Now to find out if a Logitech Trackman will be recognized at boot (?)


New dont need to go to the PO on my account
just found the dam thing last night.
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New If she clicks on the HD symbol marked "/"
under applications there should be an appleworks Icon. Or under the HD symbol marked Macintosh HD there is also an applications folder. Appleworks should be in there.
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New Trackman USB
works fine here. On an old (1st generation B&W G3) - so newer machines should be fine (1st gen USB was a little flakey in spots).

Welcome to the varsity.

I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.

--Alan Perlis
New OpenOffice.org for OS X
There is a version available but it's still in development. You need to install an X server to run it.


Fortunately, there are a couple available. Apple's is very good, since it supports hardware accelerated video, integrates nicely with the Quartz (native) window server and is a very easy install. (It only does rootless mode, though.)


I've used both and they're quite promising. I also use Appleworks, which is fine for most Word and Excel documents. If you need to deal with Powerpoints, though, try out OpenOffice.org.

As for browsers, you may want to try Safari when the 1.0 release comes out. It's very snappy and word is that they've added tabbed browsing in recent builds.

While you're at it, you may wish to upgrade to 10.2.4. There's also a sendmail security fix that came out on 3/3.

Tom Sinclair

"Man, I love it when the complete absence of a plan comes together."
- [link|http://radio.weblogs.com/0104634/|Ernie the Attorney]
New Thanx all for hints - security re 10.2.4 noted.
My impressions -

^#$%^^& 'Help' appears to be 100% web-based. Should this go further in the Beast's .nyet direction, it could still be curtains. Info seems a bit dumbed-down too, though not as effusively as Billyware. I had hoped that there would be levels of answers, from Mickey's Big Hand on down to enough description to build a map of the System in one's head.

Nada Zippo about even the GUI layout - printed. The booklet is mainly about mechanical setup. Mouse-around is fun, but you can't take that to the john and absorb. Ah well.. they'll always have Google.

Still.. it's Art, and they are doing well figuring it all out, with little need for much "how this works" stuff from me (fortunately). I'll have to track down whatever passes for a firewall + filters, though.

(I'm Really glad that there's just no way I could rationalize trading a second-born for one o' these beauties)

New firewall
click on system preferences, (tool bar bottom) in the internet panel click on sharing, then click on the firewall tab. Read carefully. Ensure "NO" boxes are checked and the firewall is in the "ON" state. that should keep it quiet. I still spend time mousing around the system to learn the gui stuff. Luckily (for me anyway) the terminal is just a click away so Im off in CLI land to my hearts content.
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New Damn.. this thing is habit-forming
L. downloaded latest (stable) Moz and got it installed w/o any handholding - loves the Mac-version layout and now has Tabbed Browsing back! Looking into whether or not she can wipe Mac-IE from the disk or if MacOffice *needs* it for HTML / won't work with Moz [??] She also managed to get DJet driver into place - so it prints now, too.

Dealer wanted $250 + $45 install labor (!!) for 512 MB DDR chip. Satech.com, down the road a piece in Silly Valley sent BOTH the Apple chip and.. 128 MB for the flaky Dell 3200 *notebook. I called at 1 pm Wed and it arrived ~noon next day, for min. ship/handling fee of $8.. Recommended vendor.

$95 for the 512MB and $39 for the notebook 128.. Took all of 23 seconds to open side, apply a little Tweek\ufffd contact enhancer and "install": Viola! a f%#$% Gigabyte Machine! Snap side closed and boot. Gawd we're jaded..

*finally found Diags disk for "Inspiron": flake was a stuck bit at a high-up address (returned 27,000,000 instead of 0. Every time.) Now it has 2x memory it had and NO BSOD since. As the bad mem had trashed disk in spots during a write: wipe and reinstall from scratch. From junker to .. Working -- maybe OK for a Knoppix/Deb conversion reeel soon now. 230 MHz/144 MB.. OK a bit slow for OO, but once it finally loads via a 20 ms Slow HD - who cares how long to Save. 'Doze version of O-Office seems fine.

I'll have to audition the Apple version of Moz tomorrow.. and maybe the fancy Pro graphics program she snagged at Student rates: Apple Loves students.. $350 instead of $1K. Scary. Seductive.

NOOO, I WON'T. I'll just watch hers. And remember Mr. Jagger's sage advice,
You Can't Always Get What You Waaant cha cha cha

Thanks all for hints. Amazing to me how much a sorta newbie+ achieved all on her own - proof of the Apple concept, I'd say.

I shoulda switched when Billy stole the Apple source and spawned wimpy bogus-95, but I was Dumb and lazy; didn't know about Ed Curry and other atrocities of the miserable little rat's ass. But I knew about DRDOS scam... :(
Let us at least hope that Steve Jobs has finally achieved maturity..
Expand Edited by Ashton March 9, 2003, 04:17:59 AM EST
New Don't forget about FINK....
[link|http://sourceforge.net/projects/fink|Fink's sourceforge D/L page]

[link|http://fink.sourceforge.net|Fink's Homepage]

I think you'll like it Ashton!
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New Not to mention Fink Commander
found at [link|http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/|http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/]

A gui front end for Fink.

I'm no stranger to the command line, but this makes Fink *so* much easier to manage and use.

Tom Sinclair

"Man, I love it when the complete absence of a plan comes together."
- [link|http://radio.weblogs.com/0104634/|Ernie the Attorney]
     Request for purchase advice - (Ashton) - (21)
         For doing video... - (Meerkat)
         get thee to the apple store - (boxley)
         G4 bought - - (Ashton) - (14)
             I am *way* jealous. Sounds tops -NT - (Meerkat)
             See? Once you try Mac, you never go back! ;-) - (bbronson)
             Obv. newbie/lazy Questions - (Ashton) - (11)
                 Box didnt come with AppleWorks? Does everything orofice - (boxley) - (4)
                     Gracias.. - (Ashton) - (3)
                         dont need to go to the PO on my account - (boxley)
                         If she clicks on the HD symbol marked "/" - (boxley)
                         Trackman USB - (tuberculosis)
                 OpenOffice.org for OS X - (tjsinclair)
                 Thanx all for hints - security re 10.2.4 noted. - (Ashton) - (1)
                     firewall - (boxley)
                 Damn.. this thing is habit-forming - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Don't forget about FINK.... - (folkert) - (1)
                         Not to mention Fink Commander - (tjsinclair)
         A couple more newbie Qs, please? - (ashton) - (3)
             Uhhhh.... - (folkert) - (1)
                 typo + Knoppix on laptops! - (Ashton)
             sleep mode on mine needs a press of the return key - (boxley)

Hey, that's MY pie.
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