Hang on.

I think I know what boxley's been saying. As you know, his posting style unfortunately can be quite ambiguous (due to lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation, and his ambiguity in indicating what he believes and what he thinks your posts lead to when carried to their logical conclusion) so he's been giving you ammo.

I don't think you've been very persuasive in this thread, but that of course is just my opinion.

This thread could and probably should have been over long ago. As it stands, I don't think either of you is going to "win".

FWIW.

Now, how you respond to my post [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84500|#84500] might be interesting....

Cheers,
Scott.

I think I know what boxley's been saying. As you know, his posting style unfortunately can be quite ambiguous (due to lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation, and his ambiguity in indicating what he believes and what he thinks your posts lead to when carried to their logical conclusion) so he's been giving you ammo.

And, for my part, I keep harping on definitions and examples. Clarity.

I don't think you've been very persuasive in this thread, but that of course is just my opinion.

I don't think persuasion is possible on this subject. This is another of those that hits at the emotional (fear) level. It's "us" against "them". What "we" do is "okay" or, at least, "justified".

What "they" do is "evil".

I'm using boxley as an example of the mental process required to maintain that belief system.

Allow me to go off on a tangent for an example.

In one of my earlier posts, I compared sending a missile to kill children with crushing a child's head under your boot. The only difference in the actions being whether you could see the child you were killing.

And, from a pure activity viewpoint, those actions are equivalent.

From an intentional viewpoint, the same can be said.

From any viewpoint, they are equivalent.

The only difference is something not in the scenario. Your reaction to someone who could do that. How do you feel about someone who is capable of crushing a child's head under his boot?

Do you feel differently about someone who could send a missile into a city knowing that children would die?

If so, why?
If not, why?

Post #84,504 by Brandioch 2/26/03 10:27:06 PM Reply	Hang on. I'm dealing with boxley right now.
Post #84,509 by Another Scott 2/26/03 10:40:42 PM Reply	Not very effectively. I think I know what boxley's been saying. As you know, his posting style unfortunately can be quite ambiguous (due to lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation, and his ambiguity in indicating what he believes and what he thinks your posts lead to when carried to their logical conclusion) so he's been giving you ammo. I don't think you've been very persuasive in this thread, but that of course is just my opinion. This thread could and probably should have been over long ago. As it stands, I don't think either of you is going to "win". FWIW. Now, how you respond to my post [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84500\|#84500] might be interesting.... Cheers, Scott.
Post #84,519 by boxley 2/26/03 11:03:40 PM Reply	This has nothing to do with winning will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #84,529 by Brandioch 2/26/03 11:26:12 PM Reply	You are wise beyond your years. I think I know what boxley's been saying. As you know, his posting style unfortunately can be quite ambiguous (due to lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation, and his ambiguity in indicating what he believes and what he thinks your posts lead to when carried to their logical conclusion) so he's been giving you ammo. And, for my part, I keep harping on definitions and examples. Clarity. I don't think you've been very persuasive in this thread, but that of course is just my opinion. I don't think persuasion is possible on this subject. This is another of those that hits at the emotional (fear) level. It's "us" against "them". What "we" do is "okay" or, at least, "justified". What "they" do is "evil". I'm using boxley as an example of the mental process required to maintain that belief system. Allow me to go off on a tangent for an example. In one of my earlier posts, I compared sending a missile to kill children with crushing a child's head under your boot. The only difference in the actions being whether you could see the child you were killing. And, from a pure activity viewpoint, those actions are equivalent. From an intentional viewpoint, the same can be said. From any viewpoint, they are equivalent. The only difference is something not in the scenario. Your reaction to someone who could do that. How do you feel about someone who is capable of crushing a child's head under his boot? Do you feel differently about someone who could send a missile into a city knowing that children would die? If so, why? If not, why?
Post #84,520 by boxley 2/26/03 11:04:24 PM Reply	so you want to pick a date from 2002? will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar

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