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New your claim matches BP's accusations
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84310|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=84310]
|Because to do so would be an admission that his "accepted" and now admired [*] |technique of "discussion" is dishonest at best.
so since in this part of the thread we are both recycling prior thread posts, lets continue on the other portion of the thread.
thanx,
bill
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New Here's a link to your post and the quote from there.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84323|heh,]

I am claiming that:
a cruise missile hitting a building to killing a child
-is the same as-
a plane hitting a building to killing a child
is the same as
a drunk driver killing a child
My position was that there wasn't a difference between the plane and the missile.

Your position was that there was.

Now you say there isn't.

Which is my position.

But now you claim that what you posted isn't what you posted?

heh heh heh.

Oh, and if you have somehow managed to forget my opinion of Mr. Pathetic, he's a lying, pathetic, sack of shit.
New you were wrong in one post, which one?
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84002|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=84002]
Except that you'll give an example of someone being drunk and accidentally hitting a child.
Yet in NEITHER of the INITIAL cases was anyone drunk nor was the building hit accidentally.
Like I've said before, those who support this war can only "justify" it by lies and semantic games
the last sentence proved out nicely. Now is the above post wrong or this one?
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84332|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=84332]
the drunk driver made a concious decision to take that first drink under the law in America that is Intent, lots more cases where that came from
so
I am claiming that:
a cruise missile hitting a building to killing a child
-is the same as-
a plane hitting a building to killing a child
is the same as
a drunk driver killing a child

Now, my original position was that there wasn't a difference between
sending a cruise missile into a building to kill a child
-and-
flying a plane into a building to kill a child

Boxley claimed there was. He claimed one was "killing" and the other was "murder".

Now he has claimed that they are identical.

Which was my position.

so now you totally accept the fact that drunks killing kids is the same as flying planes into buildings or targeting a cruise missile. You are either correct in post one and playing
"justify" it by lies and semantic games
or not.
thanx,
bill

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New Eeek! A ferocious strawman!
so now you totally accept the fact that drunks killing kids is the same as flying planes into buildings or targeting a cruise missile. You are either correct in post one and playing
That is what is known as a "quote".

You said they were the same and I quoted you.

Completely.

In context.

And I provided a link to your post.

:)

Awwww, and you thought I wouldn't recognize a strawman. That's so cute.
New Box...this ass is playing a game...
...which I tried to point out to you.

He's not debating the same issue as you. He can't. He knows he can't. So he has created a "logical position" to attempt to obfuscate your point.

Your point depends on intent. His has already assumed intent. His assumed intent is the emotionally charged statement "to kill children"

The real difference is that one side really does have the intent "to kill children". The other does not.

And my constant refusal to play this type of game with him has made him afraid. So he calls me names.He would actually have to state positions..not logical strawmen. He can't. So I'm pathetic. See?


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New yabbut Im not bored yet :-)
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New Oh. Ok.
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New so you total agree with my position, thank you
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New Eeeek! It's Son of Strawman!
No. I am not in "total" agreement with you.

But the section that you posted that says a plane and a missile are the same is in agreement with my statement that a plane and a missile are the same.

Therefore, you concede the point to me that a plane and a missile are the same.

But you go further and claim that a drunk driver is the same also.

I claimed
A == B

You claimed
A !== B

Then you claimed
A == B == C

I have said that
A !== C
and
B !== C
in my previous posts.

But that doesn't matter because my position was that
A == B
Which you now claim is CORRECT
A == B == C

Watching you wriggle makes me smile. :)
New I claimed for your logic to work
A=B=C
you first protested no, but now you agree with me.
thats ok, eat some of that chocolate. you will feel better
thanx,
bill
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New Here's a link to your post.
Like I said before:

Linked

Quoted

In context

[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84323|heh,]

I am claiming that:
a cruise missile hitting a building to killing a child
-is the same as-
a plane hitting a building to killing a child
is the same as
a drunk driver killing a child
So now we're back to you claiming that what you posted wasn't what you posted.

Once again, I've provided the link and the quote. Complete and in context.

:D
New See branch request above.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
     US-UK-Spanish draft of new UN SC resolution. - (Another Scott) - (103)
         So it isn't about terrorism now? - (Brandioch) - (95)
             Call it.. the Sophistry of Naked Power-speak (?) -NT - (Ashton) - (5)
                 Yup Artful Dodging - bootstrapping on new accusations on way - (dmarker) - (4)
                     Is it just me? - (Silverlock) - (3)
                         Fair comment - thought everyone knew the tactic - my error - (dmarker) - (2)
                             I've noticed lately that you seem... - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                 Do have a lot on my plate - pack for big move - (dmarker)
             They have been reading your posts so kept it simple -NT - (boxley) - (88)
                 Awww, that's cute. - (Brandioch) - (87)
                     what position, I want a war that ends up with - (boxley) - (86)
                         I wish that didn't make sense -NT - (Silverlock) - (3)
                             :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                 You know this doesn't mean I won't..... - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                     No prob, enjoy the discourse -NT - (boxley)
                         That is a position. - (Brandioch) - (81)
                             why -NT - (boxley) - (80)
                                 If you have to ask, you'll never understand. -NT - (Brandioch) - (79)
                                     Actually I do understand, you are the antipost - (boxley) - (78)
                                         I'll cover this from the beginning. - (Brandioch) - (76)
                                             I have proved it many times - (boxley) - (75)
                                                 I posted links to support my position. - (Brandioch) - (71)
                                                     Sh*t you having a bad day? usually your stuff is better - (boxley) - (70)
                                                         Every has an opinion. - (Brandioch) - (69)
                                                             so you state that a missile and a plane is identical? - (boxley) - (68)
                                                                 Both used to intentionally destroy a building and kill the - (Brandioch) - (67)
                                                                     Is that your final definition so we can start? -NT - (boxley) - (66)
                                                                         Yes. As I have stated before. - (Brandioch) - (65)
                                                                             you changed it again, find one and stick to it please -NT - (boxley) - (64)
                                                                                 Again. - (Brandioch) - (63)
                                                                                     Once, twice, three times. - (Brandioch) - (62)
                                                                                         Very good, stable define, lets begin - (boxley) - (61)
                                                                                             You make it too easy. - (Brandioch) - (60)
                                                                                                 so the drunk killing a kid=terrorism/military - (boxley) - (59)
                                                                                                     How many differing.... - (bepatient)
                                                                                                     Your logic fails. - (Brandioch) - (57)
                                                                                                         You have lost - (drewk) - (33)
                                                                                                             That will never be admitted. - (bepatient)
                                                                                                             I will clarify that. - (Brandioch) - (31)
                                                                                                                 further clarification - (boxley) - (30)
                                                                                                                     That is the standard, Boxley, admission of defeat. - (Brandioch) - (29)
                                                                                                                         So you admit defeat? - (boxley) - (28)
                                                                                                                             How many children have died because of my views? - (Brandioch) - (27)
                                                                                                                                 how many Iraqi kids have died because of his policies? - (boxley) - (26)
                                                                                                                                     Marlowe, give the keyboard back to boxley. - (Brandioch) - (25)
                                                                                                                                         So no children have died because of his policies lately? - (boxley) - (24)
                                                                                                                                             Nice try. :) - (Brandioch) - (23)
                                                                                                                                                 So when did his policies stop killing children? - (boxley) - (22)
                                                                                                                                                     When he stopped bombing the Kurds. - (Brandioch) - (21)
                                                                                                                                                         Is that your final answer? Be very sure -NT - (boxley) - (12)
                                                                                                                                                             Whee! Let's do it again! - (Brandioch) - (11)
                                                                                                                                                                 just like I thought no balls - (boxley) - (10)
                                                                                                                                                                     Here's a link to your other post. - (Brandioch) - (9)
                                                                                                                                                                         whats the Magic man version of godwin? - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                                                                                                                             Maybe you missed the link to your post. - (Brandioch) - (7)
                                                                                                                                                                                 Links, prooves and circular references - (boxley) - (6)
                                                                                                                                                                                     Not to mention... - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                                                                                     Awwww. Your feelings are hurt, aren't they? - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                                                         would I have to decontaminate it first? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                                                             Would someone mind branching this shite off in a new thread? - (admin) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                                                                 oops forgot, Im done -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                                                                                                                                 When did we go back to 1-thread? (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                                                         Do you really believe that? - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                                                                                                                                             Hang on. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                                 Not very effectively. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                                     This has nothing to do with winning -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                                                                                                     You are wise beyond your years. - (Brandioch)
                                                                                                                                                                 so you want to pick a date from 2002? -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                                                                                             dont fsck my setups please :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                                 Hey, I waited over an hour. Sorry. Carry on... :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                         heh, - (boxley) - (22)
                                                                                                             Game, set and match. - (Brandioch) - (21)
                                                                                                                 not hardly, me pointing out the falacy of your logic - (boxley) - (20)
                                                                                                                     Here's a link to your post. - (Brandioch) - (19)
                                                                                                                         your logic not mine -NT - (boxley) - (18)
                                                                                                                             "Can't we play something else?" - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                             Provide a link to my post. Here's a link to your's. - (Brandioch) - (16)
                                                                                                                                 here is a link to yours - (boxley) - (15)
                                                                                                                                     From that link your posted. Even from that block you posted. - (Brandioch) - (14)
                                                                                                                                         Your logic bomb repeating in my post - (boxley) - (13)
                                                                                                                                             My claim. You said I was wrong. Then you said I was right. - (Brandioch) - (12)
                                                                                                                                                 your claim matches BP's accusations - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                                                                                                     Here's a link to your post and the quote from there. - (Brandioch) - (10)
                                                                                                                                                         you were wrong in one post, which one? - (boxley) - (9)
                                                                                                                                                             Eeek! A ferocious strawman! - (Brandioch) - (8)
                                                                                                                                                                 Box...this ass is playing a game... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                                     yabbut Im not bored yet :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                                         Oh. Ok. -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                                                                 so you total agree with my position, thank you -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                                     Eeeek! It's Son of Strawman! - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                                                                                                                                                         I claimed for your logic to work - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                                             Here's a link to your post. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                                                 See branch request above. -NT - (admin)
                                                 And here's a link to one of your lies. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                                     thank you for proving my point - (boxley) - (1)
                                                         Try that one again. - (Brandioch)
                                         ICLRPD (new thread) - (Another Scott)
         No need to say any more - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
             No problem, let them put the men in the field -NT - (boxley)
             Instant veto. -NT - (Brandioch)
             Love. It. but.. not in the Disneyland World of 02, I think. -NT - (Ashton)
         Well now. - (bepatient) - (2)
             and a paragraph on the back one explaining what each one was - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                 And creatin a nuisance :) -NT - (bepatient)

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