Post #84,318
2/26/03 2:25:22 PM
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further clarification
I am claiming that:
a cruise missile hitting a building and killing a child
-is the same as-
a plane hitting a building and killing a child
Change the "and" to "to". I am claiming that: a cruise missile hitting a building to killing a child -is the same as- a plane hitting a building to killing a child a flying pig hitting a building to killing a child assuming enough thrust is used. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
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Post #84,321
2/26/03 2:30:34 PM
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That is the standard, Boxley, admission of defeat.
Your failure is accepted.
Perchance, in the future, you may mature enough to recognize that killing a child is never a valid means of achieving your goals.
For my part, I'll continue to oppose those who view the death of children as a legitimate path.
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Post #84,324
2/26/03 2:42:16 PM
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So you admit defeat?
For my part, I'll continue to oppose those who view the death of children as a legitimate path. no matter how many children die because of your view? How noble of you, willing to oppose yourself. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
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Post #84,330
2/26/03 2:50:53 PM
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How many children have died because of my views?
It seems to me that Saddam has not attacked any other country since we gave him the green light to attack Kuwait.
Sanctions and inspections are working.
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Post #84,333
2/26/03 2:59:31 PM
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how many Iraqi kids have died because of his policies?
You know it may be debatable whether removing him and his regime is for "the greater public good" but he has by his actions killed thousands of children.
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Post #84,348
2/26/03 4:06:50 PM
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Marlowe, give the keyboard back to boxley.
Next you'll be posting those pictures of dead kids again. You know it may be debatable whether removing him and his regime is for "the greater public good" but he has by his actions killed thousands of children. Yes he has. In the past. And, should he do that again, I would oppose those policies (as I did the other times). But, right now, he isn't killing any children. While you advocate that WE kill children. To punish Saddam for killing children in the past we'll kill children now? Like I said, I'll oppose your agenda if it requires the death of children. Or are you advocating that we kill Iraqi children TODAY so that Saddam MIGHT NOT POSSIBLY kill children MAYBE tomorrow or COULD BE next year? How about we wait until he actually starts killing children before WE start killing children?
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Post #84,370
2/26/03 4:49:20 PM
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So no children have died because of his policies lately?
You believe that?
Post the following
No children have died because of Saddam Hussein's policies in the last 2 years
I know you wont because it is false.
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Post #84,414
2/26/03 6:17:07 PM
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Nice try. :)
Boxley posted: So no children have died because of his policies lately?
You believe that?
Post the following
No children have died because of Saddam Hussein's policies in the last 2 years
I know you wont because it is false. I'll re-post what I just said. Next you'll be posting those pictures of dead kids again.
You know it may be debatable whether removing him and his regime is for "the greater public good" but he has by his actions killed thousands of children.
Yes he has.
In the past.
And, should he do that again, I would oppose those policies (as I did the other times). Yep. I posted that Saddam's past policies have required the death of children. And that I have opposed those policies. Now Boxley wants me to say that Saddam's past policies have not resulted in the death of children. Why? That is the opposite of what I just posted.
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Post #84,415
2/26/03 6:20:21 PM
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So when did his policies stop killing children?
Provide a date that I can check against. You are claiming no children have died lately. You mean as of today? 3 days ago? a month? a year? when did he stop killing children?
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bill
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Post #84,421
2/26/03 6:40:12 PM
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When he stopped bombing the Kurds.
After we promised them help that never arrived.
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Post #84,472
2/26/03 9:06:58 PM
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Is that your final answer? Be very sure
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Post #84,502
2/26/03 10:23:39 PM
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Whee! Let's do it again!
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84127| Is that your final definition so we can start?] Cool! Then we can go through this again and you can post [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84323|heh,] I am claiming that:
a cruise missile hitting a building to killing a child
-is the same as-
a plane hitting a building to killing a child
is the same as
a drunk driver killing a child But this contradicts your original position that a plane and a missile are different because one is "killing" and the other is "murder". While my position was that there isn't a difference between the plane and the missile. And then you try to claim that the "logic" problem is on my side. Even though I provided the link to your post. Even though I provided the specific quote in your post. Even though the quote was in context and complete. But you'll keep claiming that I'm the one with the problem even though you can't specify where I'm mis-reading your post. Oh, this is the "sarcasm" ploy from you, again. Isn't it? When the facts don't match what you want, you were "being sarcastic". heh heh heh Oooooooh. Like you were being in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=83034|this] post. Awwww, the facts don't match up with what you posted. That's okay. You were just being "sarcastic". You weren't really wrong.
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Post #84,513
2/26/03 10:59:26 PM
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just like I thought no balls
pick a date that sadaams policies quit killing kids
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bill
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Post #84,521
2/26/03 11:06:30 PM
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Here's a link to your other post.
You seem to have forgotten it.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84474|Here]
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Post #84,530
2/26/03 11:27:04 PM
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whats the Magic man version of godwin?
you know that sadaan has not stopped killing children and you claim to be against killing children so do you support Sadaam and his killing children or not? Is his killing children somehow acceptable to you? So now you will be opposing yourself?
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,540
2/27/03 12:16:53 AM
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Maybe you missed the link to your post.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84323|heh,]
Recognize that?
:)
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Post #84,584
2/27/03 8:53:04 AM
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Links, prooves and circular references
no nobility about the kids. Face it you dont give a flying fuck about kids, burning or otherwise. A poseur.
thanx,
bill
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Post #84,632
2/27/03 12:01:30 PM
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Not to mention...
...the fact that the "position" being argued in tantamount a "Guilty of 1st Degree Capital Murder" charge being leveled at a very large percentage of war veterans, past present and future.
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Post #84,659
2/27/03 2:33:08 PM
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Awwww. Your feelings are hurt, aren't they?
no nobility about the kids. Face it you dont give a flying fuck about kids, burning or otherwise. A poseur. It's okay. Just because you can't follow basic logic doesn't mean you're a bad person. I can send you some chocolate if it would make you feel better.
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Post #84,669
2/27/03 4:12:49 PM
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would I have to decontaminate it first? :-)
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Post #84,671
2/27/03 4:19:39 PM
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Would someone mind branching this shite off in a new thread?
Huge topics impact performance. We're still single-threaded, you know.
Regards,
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Post #84,672
2/27/03 4:25:23 PM
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oops forgot, Im done
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Post #84,677
2/27/03 5:04:07 PM
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When did we go back to 1-thread? (new thread)
Created as new thread #84676 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84676|When did we go back to 1-thread?]
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Post #84,500
2/26/03 10:16:45 PM
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Do you really believe that?
[link|http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,742303,00.html|Observer]: The most chilling witness was one of Saddam's torturers, who was captured spying against the Kurds this year [2002]. 'Kamal' told us: 'They would bring the son in front of his parents, who were handcuffed or tied, and would start off with simple methods of torture, such as cigarette burns. Then they started using other methods of torture, more serious ones.
'They would tell the father that they'd slaughter his son, and they'd bring a bayonet out, and if the parents didn't confess they'd kill the child. 'The interrogator has the right to kill the child, or perform any other butchery, whatever's necessary.' And then Kamal chuckled. Regards, Scott.
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Post #84,504
2/26/03 10:27:06 PM
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Hang on.
I'm dealing with boxley right now.
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Post #84,509
2/26/03 10:40:42 PM
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Not very effectively.
I think I know what boxley's been saying. As you know, his posting style unfortunately can be quite ambiguous (due to lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation, and his ambiguity in indicating what he believes and what he thinks your posts lead to when carried to their logical conclusion) so he's been giving you ammo.
I don't think you've been very persuasive in this thread, but that of course is just my opinion.
This thread could and probably should have been over long ago. As it stands, I don't think either of you is going to "win".
FWIW.
Now, how you respond to my post [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84500|#84500] might be interesting....
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #84,519
2/26/03 11:03:40 PM
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This has nothing to do with winning
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Post #84,529
2/26/03 11:26:12 PM
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You are wise beyond your years.
I think I know what boxley's been saying. As you know, his posting style unfortunately can be quite ambiguous (due to lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation, and his ambiguity in indicating what he believes and what he thinks your posts lead to when carried to their logical conclusion) so he's been giving you ammo. And, for my part, I keep harping on definitions and examples. Clarity. I don't think you've been very persuasive in this thread, but that of course is just my opinion. I don't think persuasion is possible on this subject. This is another of those that hits at the emotional (fear) level. It's "us" against "them". What "we" do is "okay" or, at least, "justified". What "they" do is "evil". I'm using boxley as an example of the mental process required to maintain that belief system. Allow me to go off on a tangent for an example. In one of my earlier posts, I compared sending a missile to kill children with crushing a child's head under your boot. The only difference in the actions being whether you could see the child you were killing. And, from a pure activity viewpoint, those actions are equivalent. From an intentional viewpoint, the same can be said. From any viewpoint, they are equivalent. The only difference is something not in the scenario. Your reaction to someone who could do that. How do you feel about someone who is capable of crushing a child's head under his boot? Do you feel differently about someone who could send a missile into a city knowing that children would die? If so, why? If not, why?
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Post #84,520
2/26/03 11:04:24 PM
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so you want to pick a date from 2002?
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Post #84,518
2/26/03 11:02:11 PM
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dont fsck my setups please :-)
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Post #84,522
2/26/03 11:07:43 PM
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Hey, I waited over an hour. Sorry. Carry on... :-)
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