Post #84,245
2/26/03 8:37:26 AM
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Saddam "discovers" a bio bomb
[link|http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/69503.htm|Well, how about that?]
Excerpt:
February 26, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - Iraq yesterday claimed it suddenly found a biogerm bomb. U.N. weapons inspectors hailed that as "cooperation," but President Bush said Saddam Hussein is just trying "to fool the world one more time."
The United States notes the R-400 biogerm bomb Iraq declared is one of 400 it was known to have in the 1990s. The rest are unaccounted for at present. Until now, Iraq has claimed it had no chemical or biological weapons.
I say:
Okay, you know-it-alls who keep saying he hasn't got any WMDs. You've been proven wrong. Crow is served. Are you men enough to eat it?
I wouldn't expect so. You've all been proven wrong before by events, and you've never once acknowledged it.
This should have been divulged December 7th. No, actually he shouldn't have had it after 1991. If it weren't for Warmongering Dubya putting on the pressure, eh would have never "discovered" this one.
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Post #84,251
2/26/03 8:48:05 AM
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What? Are you saying...
That there REALLY IS a reason OTHER than for the OIL?
NO>>>> couldn't be... I am *SOOOOO* confused.
I just can't wait until a loaf of bread costs $5... THEN it'll be okay to goto war... cuase then we'd be doing it for "self-preservation"...
Now, remember [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=83448|THIS POST]... before you comment.
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Post #84,267
2/26/03 10:02:43 AM
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Nothing on CNN yet.
Awaiting confirmation.
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Post #84,349
2/26/03 4:08:02 PM
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Still nothing on CNN.
But they're updated their Iraq files.
No mention yet.
Still awaiting verification.
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Post #84,353
2/26/03 4:22:53 PM
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IOL.IE and Guardian.UK via news.google.com
[link|http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=63369148&p=63369854|IOL]. He said a number of letters from Iraq about two R-400 aerial bombs, one which may be filled with a biological agent, and another reporting that hand-written documents on the 1991 disposal of chemical and biological weapons had been found \ufffdare potentially interesting\ufffd and will have to be examined.
But Blix said the letters did not represent \ufffdfull co-operation or a breakthrough.\ufffd [link|http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,902906,00.html|Guardian]: He said one letter from Iraq informed inspectors that "they have found an R-400 bomb containing liquid in a site which is known to us at which they did dispose of biological weapons before".
He gave no details, but R-400 aerial bombs can be filled with biological or chemical agents. Among the outstanding issues which Iraq has not answered is providing documentation about the filling of R-400 bombs with aflotoxin. Etc. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #84,394
2/26/03 5:37:43 PM
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Thanks. I'm not familiar with aflotoxin.
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Post #84,400
2/26/03 5:47:16 PM
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Aflatoxins info from FDA
[link|http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap41.html|Here]. One of the most important accounts of aflatoxicosis in humans occurred in more than 150 villages in adjacent districts of two neighboring states in northwest India in the fall of 1974. According to one report of this outbreak, 397 persons were affected and 108 persons died. In this outbreak, contaminated corn was the major dietary constituent, and aflatoxin levels of 0.25 to 15 mg/kg were found. The daily aflatoxin B1 intake was estimated to have been at least 55 ug/kg body weight for an undetermined number of days. The patients experienced high fever, rapid progressive jaundice, edema of the limbs, pain, vomiting, and swollen livers. One investigator reported a peculiar and very notable feature of the outbreak: the appearance of signs of disease in one village population was preceded by a similar disease in domestic dogs, which was usually fatal. Histopathological examination of humans showed extensive bile duct proliferation and periportal fibrosis of the liver together with gastrointestinal hemorrhages. A 10-year follow-up of the Indian outbreak found the survivors fully recovered with no ill effects from the experience.
A second outbreak of aflatoxicosis was reported from Kenya in 1982. There were 20 hospital admissions with a 60% mortality; daily aflatoxin intake was estimated to be at least 38 ug/kg body weight for an undetermined number of days.
In a deliberate suicide attempt, a laboratory worker ingested 12 ug/kg body weight of aflatoxin B1 per day over a 2-day period and 6 months later, 11 ug/kg body weight per day over a 14-day period. Except for transient rash, nausea and headache, there were no ill effects; hence, these levels may serve as possible no-effect levels for aflatoxin B1 in humans. In a 14-year follow-up, a physical examination and blood chemistry, including tests for liver function, were normal. I assume aflatoxins and aflotoxins are the same thing. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #84,409
2/26/03 6:10:51 PM
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Damn, Ashton.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=44516|Here]
grep aflatoxin
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Post #84,512
2/26/03 10:55:06 PM
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He is a treasure-trove of information, isn't he?
It's a shame that his treasure is, at times, buried under such dense prose. Maybe he should read more [link|http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/russell/|Bertie] for inspiration.
"I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true."
:-)
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #84,534
2/26/03 11:38:36 PM
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<big grin> I guess you haven't attended a mensa meet
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Post #84,295
2/26/03 11:40:29 AM
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No crow needed here.
I'm on the record as saying that Iraq probably does have chemical weapons.
See [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=79945|here].
And if you could, answer the question I asked there? Without resorting to "Because I'm right and you're not" and instead actually use logic and reason?
Thanks.
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Post #84,555
2/27/03 3:49:46 AM
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"Okay, you know-it-alls ", my my what a cry
How does the discovery of 1 bomb (if there are more lets hear it), with some 'liquid' in it, immediately a justification to go to war.
I think a more reasoned & less emotive reaction might be to say
"Possible evidence of WMD found, if more are found & there is evidence of deliberate concealment then we may have a smoking gun!"
Now how does that sound to you compared with what appears to be your highly emotive wording ?. People might conclude you are a rabid warmonger.
Cheers
Doug Marker
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Post #84,655
2/27/03 2:17:15 PM
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Still waiting for verification of that "liquid".
Given what Marlowe has posted in the past (Iraq is SIX MONTHS away from having NUKES!) I'm going to wait for 3rd party confirmation that anything actually was found.
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Post #84,745
2/27/03 10:46:11 PM
2/28/03 12:00:10 AM
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My bet - either rainwater or 'piss' <grin>
Ohh yes, perhaps a mix of both !!! <vbg>

Edited by dmarker
Feb. 28, 2003, 12:00:10 AM EST
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Post #84,814
2/28/03 10:10:16 AM
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Could be. :)
I'm still waiting for verification. :)
I'm also of the opinion that if ANYTHING actionable was found in that shell, our current regime would have it plastered all over every media outlet on the planet.
Once again, their silence speaks volumes.
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