Um, Japan was ready to surrender b4 the nukes.

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Post #8,411 by mmoffitt 9/11/01 4:23:04 PM Reply	Um, Japan was ready to surrender b4 the nukes. We just wanted to send a message to Soviet Russia.
Post #8,415 by jbrabeck 9/11/01 4:44:55 PM Reply	Re: Um, Japan was ready to surrender b4 the nukes. Found with Google... Newman, Robert P. Truman and the Hiroshima Cult. Lansing, MI: Michigan State University Press, 1995. Giangreco, NWCR, Spring 1998: "Newman convincingly shreds the myths that have grown up around the use of nuclear weapons to end the Pacific War, such as the oft-repeated claims that the Japanese were on the verge of surrender when the bombs were dropped, and that their use was primarily aimed at intimidating Joseph Stalin." [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,417 by wharris2 9/11/01 4:47:24 PM Reply	That's a Toland apologist answer John Toland has written a number of books about the war and in the one I read blames the war to the Japanese ambassador's hemmerhoids. He excuses (actually, he didn't even cover) Japanese atrocities, or blithely says Japanese soldiers suffered as much as prisoners of war. Excuse me, prisoners of war aren't supposed to be tortured. The Japanese might have been willing to surrender, but they were not willing to go for unconditional surrender. They would have fought. Remember, this is a military government that knew its back was to the wall - they had nothing to lose. Best estimates at the time were a million US casualties. The US at the time could not back down from its "unconditional surrender" demand, after having beaten Germany. That no man should scruple, or hesitate a moment to use arms in defense of so valuable a blessing [as freedom], on which all the good and evil of life depends, is clearly my opinion; yet arms ... should be the last resource. - George Washington

The response here: Lets commit War Crimes - (bluke) - (44) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:13:30 PM EDT

f**king troll - (Silverlock) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:21:23 PM EDT

Brilliant answer - (bluke) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:23:24 PM EDT

You want to know why? - (Silverlock) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:46:09 PM EDT

I am just pointing out... - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:52:47 PM EDT

The brush you paint with is too broad - (Silverlock) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:59:31 PM EDT

err, bluke aint here he is at ground zero although - (boxley) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:45:40 PM EDT

sure, let's roll over cry "please don't hurt us again" - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:25:10 PM EDT

What makes you better then the terrorist - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:31:26 PM EDT

Right where it should be - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:26:12 PM EDT

Going out on a limb... - (jbrabeck) - (9) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:37:52 PM EDT

You have the Middle East facts wrong - (bluke) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:40:04 PM EDT

Thanks for the clarification - (drewk) - (4) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:51:03 PM EDT

Of course not - (bluke) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:55:38 PM EDT

Minister of Peace - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:03:14 PM EDT

And why not? - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 03:12:12 AM EDT

It's too soon, bl.. cool it. - (Ashton) - Sept. 12, 2001, 06:54:15 AM EDT

Um, Japan was ready to surrender b4 the nukes. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:23:04 PM EDT

Re: Um, Japan was ready to surrender b4 the nukes. - (jbrabeck) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:44:55 PM EDT

That's a Toland apologist answer - (wharris2) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:47:24 PM EDT

I'll settle for plain murder. - (addison) - (16) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:38:49 PM EDT

War crimes - (bluke) - (15) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:43:53 PM EDT

You're flat wrong. - (addison) - (13) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:51:51 PM EDT

Not a war crime to slaughter babies? - (marlowe) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:46:54 PM EDT

Did you read the Geneva Convention - (bluke) - (11) - Sept. 12, 2001, 02:50:13 AM EDT

So why is Israel violating it? -NT - (addison) - (10) - Sept. 12, 2001, 09:06:29 AM EDT

How exactly is Israel violating the Geneva Convention? - (bluke) - (7) - Sept. 12, 2001, 09:13:16 AM EDT

That's interesting - (drewk) - (6) - Sept. 12, 2001, 09:46:43 AM EDT

Don't be perfectionist. - (marlowe) - Sept. 12, 2001, 01:54:21 PM EDT

Don't be ridiculous - (bluke) - (4) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:24:17 PM EDT

Make up your mind. - (addison) - (3) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:33:25 PM EDT

Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited - (bluke) - (2) - Sept. 13, 2001, 05:45:29 AM EDT

Which is why . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Sept. 13, 2001, 08:22:47 AM EDT

Re: Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited - (addison) - Sept. 13, 2001, 10:00:20 AM EDT

What is the relevence here - (bluke) - (1) - Sept. 12, 2001, 09:15:21 AM EDT

You don't know the meaning of the word "relevance". - (addison) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:12:03 AM EDT

Venting anger... - (ChrisR) - Sept. 11, 2001, 04:08:48 PM EDT

Look at yourself for a moment - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2001, 03:56:41 PM EDT

Actually I am in the same boat - (bluke) - Sept. 11, 2001, 10:29:23 PM EDT

Define "restraint." - (marlowe) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2001, 05:21:13 PM EDT

And another thing. - (marlowe) - Sept. 11, 2001, 05:28:21 PM EDT

Errm... About taking their country over.... - (hnick) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2001, 07:57:11 PM EDT

But it has been done successfully. - (marlowe) - (2) - Sept. 12, 2001, 10:36:43 AM EDT

not afganistan, lose big time - (boxley) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:28:37 AM EDT

Not recently - (hnick) - Sept. 12, 2001, 11:58:43 AM EDT

Now listen closely, for here the plot does twist.
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