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Post #83,878
by dmarker
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2/24/03 9:03:23 PM
2/24/03 10:47:44 PM
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New Yup Artful Dodging - bootstrapping on new accusations on way
Start by accusing Iraq of one thing, (knowing that it probably won't stick) but nail them on the way they responded to the accusation that didn't stick.

Has anyone seen this tactic before - Name Clinton ring a bell <grin> and who was behind that (#2 (added): the attempts to nail Clinton on scandals, then the more succesful attempt to nail him on his unfortunate words re the scandals (which they failed to get him on at 1st go)).

Hmmm no it just couldn't have been the people who were so desperate to get dems out of office that when the attacks on Clinton hadn't succeeded (impeachment attempt) they cooked the books in the next election instead.

Cheers

Doug
Collapse Edited by dmarker Feb. 24, 2003, 10:42:37 PM EST
Yup Artful Dodging - bootstrapping on new accusations on way

Start by accusing Iraq of one thing, (knowing that it probably won't stick) but nail them on the way they responded to the accusation that didn't stick.

Has anyone seen this tactic before - Name Clinton ring a bell <grin> and who was behind that. Hmmm no it just couldn't have been the people who were so desperate to get dems out hat when the Clinton attacks hadn't succeeded (in impeachment) they cooked the books in the next election.

Cheers

Doug
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Post #83,882
by Silverlock
2/24/03 9:20:12 PM
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New Is it just me?
Did that make any sense after the 2nd or third sentence?
How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
Post #83,916
by dmarker
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2/24/03 10:43:45 PM
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New Fair comment - thought everyone knew the tactic - my error

added in some extra words to the post.

Cheers

Doug
Post #83,924
by Silverlock
2/24/03 11:11:23 PM
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New I've noticed lately that you seem...
Pissed off. It's affecting your discourse. Please don't let it.

Even I will take time to rewrite things I've written when I see I am speaking shite. And I'm a fairly convinced-of-my-own-intellectual-superiority type guy. Think first, then write. Then, think again.
How many lives per gallon?
--Sign outside of various churches
Post #83,950
by dmarker
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2/25/03 2:10:59 AM
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New Do have a lot on my plate - pack for big move

Leaving HK after 3 years to return to new job back in Oz. Have had a few other challenges to sort out on top.

I am looking forward to getting back & will be off IWETHEY for a few weeks. Also with the friction flowing re Iraq I think it is a good time to leave interacting with people in US for a while.

I was in & out of US just prior to Panama & Gulf-1. I used to think we were het up by it outside US until I went back there & it seemed like a blast furnace by comparison. Seen that happen again & again.

Thanks for the advice - I appreciate it.

Cheers

Doug
     US-UK-Spanish draft of new UN SC resolution. - (Another Scott) - (103) - Feb. 24, 2003, 06:16:39 PM EST
         So it isn't about terrorism now? - (Brandioch) - (95) - Feb. 24, 2003, 06:36:16 PM EST
             Call it.. the Sophistry of Naked Power-speak (?) -NT - (Ashton) - (5) - Feb. 24, 2003, 07:37:04 PM EST
                 Yup Artful Dodging - bootstrapping on new accusations on way - (dmarker) - (4) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:47:44 PM EST
                     Is it just me? - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2003, 09:20:12 PM EST
                         Fair comment - thought everyone knew the tactic - my error - (dmarker) - (2) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:43:45 PM EST
                             I've noticed lately that you seem... - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2003, 11:11:23 PM EST
                                 Do have a lot on my plate - pack for big move - (dmarker) - Feb. 25, 2003, 02:10:59 AM EST
             They have been reading your posts so kept it simple -NT - (boxley) - (88) - Feb. 24, 2003, 09:01:42 PM EST
                 Awww, that's cute. - (Brandioch) - (87) - Feb. 24, 2003, 09:55:34 PM EST
                     what position, I want a war that ends up with - (boxley) - (86) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:16:07 PM EST
                         I wish that didn't make sense -NT - (Silverlock) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:43:36 PM EST
                             :-) -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:44:32 PM EST
                                 You know this doesn't mean I won't..... - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2003, 11:15:45 PM EST
                                     No prob, enjoy the discourse -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 25, 2003, 09:07:59 AM EST
                         That is a position. - (Brandioch) - (81) - Feb. 25, 2003, 12:14:23 AM EST
                             why -NT - (boxley) - (80) - Feb. 25, 2003, 09:08:44 AM EST
                                 If you have to ask, you'll never understand. -NT - (Brandioch) - (79) - Feb. 25, 2003, 09:15:31 AM EST
                                     Actually I do understand, you are the antipost - (boxley) - (78) - Feb. 25, 2003, 11:40:44 AM EST
                                         I'll cover this from the beginning. - (Brandioch) - (76) - Feb. 25, 2003, 01:00:34 PM EST
                                             I have proved it many times - (boxley) - (75) - Feb. 25, 2003, 02:00:11 PM EST
                                                 I posted links to support my position. - (Brandioch) - (71) - Feb. 25, 2003, 04:10:12 PM EST
                                                     Sh*t you having a bad day? usually your stuff is better - (boxley) - (70) - Feb. 25, 2003, 04:53:42 PM EST
                                                         Every has an opinion. - (Brandioch) - (69) - Feb. 25, 2003, 05:44:05 PM EST
                                                             so you state that a missile and a plane is identical? - (boxley) - (68) - Feb. 25, 2003, 05:55:06 PM EST
                                                                 Both used to intentionally destroy a building and kill the - (Brandioch) - (67) - Feb. 25, 2003, 06:47:32 PM EST
                                                                     Is that your final definition so we can start? -NT - (boxley) - (66) - Feb. 25, 2003, 07:58:25 PM EST
                                                                         Yes. As I have stated before. - (Brandioch) - (65) - Feb. 25, 2003, 11:15:19 PM EST
                                                                             you changed it again, find one and stick to it please -NT - (boxley) - (64) - Feb. 25, 2003, 11:40:43 PM EST
                                                                                 Again. - (Brandioch) - (63) - Feb. 25, 2003, 11:51:00 PM EST
                                                                                     Once, twice, three times. - (Brandioch) - (62) - Feb. 25, 2003, 11:51:41 PM EST
                                                                                         Very good, stable define, lets begin - (boxley) - (61) - Feb. 26, 2003, 08:45:05 AM EST
                                                                                             You make it too easy. - (Brandioch) - (60) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:27:45 AM EST
                                                                                                 so the drunk killing a kid=terrorism/military - (boxley) - (59) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:41:21 AM EST
                                                                                                     How many differing.... - (bepatient) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:09:18 AM EST
                                                                                                     Your logic fails. - (Brandioch) - (57) - Feb. 26, 2003, 12:29:24 PM EST
                                                                                                         You have lost - (drewk) - (33) - Feb. 26, 2003, 01:12:30 PM EST
                                                                                                             That will never be admitted. - (bepatient) - Feb. 27, 2003, 07:06:10 AM EST
                                                                                                             I will clarify that. - (Brandioch) - (31) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:16:35 PM EST
                                                                                                                 further clarification - (boxley) - (30) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:25:22 PM EST
                                                                                                                     That is the standard, Boxley, admission of defeat. - (Brandioch) - (29) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:30:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                         So you admit defeat? - (boxley) - (28) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:42:16 PM EST
                                                                                                                             How many children have died because of my views? - (Brandioch) - (27) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:50:53 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 how many Iraqi kids have died because of his policies? - (boxley) - (26) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:59:31 PM EST
                                                                                                                                     Marlowe, give the keyboard back to boxley. - (Brandioch) - (25) - Feb. 26, 2003, 04:06:50 PM EST
                                                                                                                                         So no children have died because of his policies lately? - (boxley) - (24) - Feb. 26, 2003, 04:49:20 PM EST
                                                                                                                                             Nice try. :) - (Brandioch) - (23) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:17:07 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                 So when did his policies stop killing children? - (boxley) - (22) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:20:21 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                     When he stopped bombing the Kurds. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:40:12 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                         Is that your final answer? Be very sure -NT - (boxley) - (12) - Feb. 26, 2003, 09:06:58 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                             Whee! Let's do it again! - (Brandioch) - (11) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:23:39 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 just like I thought no balls - (boxley) - (10) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:59:26 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     Here's a link to your other post. - (Brandioch) - (9) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:06:30 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                         whats the Magic man version of godwin? - (boxley) - (8) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:27:04 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                             Maybe you missed the link to your post. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Feb. 27, 2003, 12:16:53 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                 Links, prooves and circular references - (boxley) - (6) - Feb. 27, 2003, 08:53:04 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                     Not to mention... - (bepatient) - Feb. 27, 2003, 12:01:30 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                     Awwww. Your feelings are hurt, aren't they? - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 27, 2003, 02:33:08 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                         would I have to decontaminate it first? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Feb. 27, 2003, 04:12:49 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                             Would someone mind branching this shite off in a new thread? - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2003, 04:19:39 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                                 oops forgot, Im done -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 27, 2003, 04:25:23 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                                 When did we go back to 1-thread? (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Feb. 27, 2003, 05:04:07 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                         Do you really believe that? - (Another Scott) - (7) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:16:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                             Hang on. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:27:06 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 Not very effectively. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:40:42 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     This has nothing to do with winning -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:03:40 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     You are wise beyond your years. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:26:12 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 so you want to pick a date from 2002? -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:04:24 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                             dont fsck my setups please :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:02:11 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 Hey, I waited over an hour. Sorry. Carry on... :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:07:43 PM EST
                                                                                                         heh, - (boxley) - (22) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:39:25 PM EST
                                                                                                             Game, set and match. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Feb. 26, 2003, 02:58:57 PM EST
                                                                                                                 not hardly, me pointing out the falacy of your logic - (boxley) - (20) - Feb. 26, 2003, 03:02:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                     Here's a link to your post. - (Brandioch) - (19) - Feb. 26, 2003, 04:01:59 PM EST
                                                                                                                         your logic not mine -NT - (boxley) - (18) - Feb. 26, 2003, 04:46:24 PM EST
                                                                                                                             "Can't we play something else?" - (Another Scott) - Feb. 26, 2003, 05:00:05 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Provide a link to my post. Here's a link to your's. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Feb. 26, 2003, 05:48:39 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 here is a link to yours - (boxley) - (15) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:12:36 PM EST
                                                                                                                                     From that link your posted. Even from that block you posted. - (Brandioch) - (14) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:23:18 PM EST
                                                                                                                                         Your logic bomb repeating in my post - (boxley) - (13) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:25:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                                             My claim. You said I was wrong. Then you said I was right. - (Brandioch) - (12) - Feb. 26, 2003, 06:44:15 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                 your claim matches BP's accusations - (boxley) - (11) - Feb. 26, 2003, 09:11:31 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                     Here's a link to your post and the quote from there. - (Brandioch) - (10) - Feb. 26, 2003, 10:12:06 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                         you were wrong in one post, which one? - (boxley) - (9) - Feb. 26, 2003, 11:23:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                             Eeek! A ferocious strawman! - (Brandioch) - (8) - Feb. 27, 2003, 12:14:40 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 Box...this ass is playing a game... - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2003, 07:18:35 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     yabbut Im not bored yet :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2003, 08:54:38 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                         Oh. Ok. -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 27, 2003, 11:54:22 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 so you total agree with my position, thank you -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Feb. 27, 2003, 08:56:17 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     Eeeek! It's Son of Strawman! - (Brandioch) - (3) - Feb. 27, 2003, 02:30:38 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                         I claimed for your logic to work - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 27, 2003, 04:15:37 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                             Here's a link to your post. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 27, 2003, 05:32:09 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                                 See branch request above. -NT - (admin) - Feb. 27, 2003, 05:39:44 PM EST
                                                 And here's a link to one of your lies. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2003, 04:15:20 PM EST
                                                     thank you for proving my point - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2003, 04:56:02 PM EST
                                                         Try that one again. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 25, 2003, 04:58:50 PM EST
                                         ICLRPD (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Feb. 25, 2003, 01:13:41 PM EST
         No need to say any more - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Feb. 24, 2003, 09:27:11 PM EST
             No problem, let them put the men in the field -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 24, 2003, 09:34:30 PM EST
             Instant veto. -NT - (Brandioch) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:09:23 PM EST
             Love. It. but.. not in the Disneyland World of 02, I think. -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 24, 2003, 10:56:04 PM EST
         Well now. - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 24, 2003, 11:57:16 PM EST
             and a paragraph on the back one explaining what each one was - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2003, 02:05:05 AM EST
                 And creatin a nuisance :) -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 25, 2003, 02:33:42 AM EST

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