Arrogance illustrated.

Post #82,321 by marlowe 2/17/03 9:39:36 PM Reply	Arrogance illustrated. He must be right `coz he's French and they're not. "Going to a march organized by Communists doesn't make you a Communist, any more than going to a march organized by Nazis makes you a Nazi." - Glenn Reynolds CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere! Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #82,331 by dmarker 2/18/03 12:39:32 AM Reply	Re: Arrogance illustrated. AMEN AMEN AMEN Which of Bush or Chirac best represents the overwhelming opinions of the people of Europe, of the Western world (incl USA), of Asia, of the Middle East. Such a simple question, just watch the weasel responses (or lack of response) from these two 'brothers-in-arms' Cheers Doug Marker
Post #82,335 by Ashton 2/18/03 1:35:38 AM Reply	Given enough shellac, even turds can be polished.
Post #82,345 by marlowe 2/18/03 8:48:13 AM Reply	I know which one represents an adult personality. And [link\|http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-582150,00.html\|it ain't Chirac] There are leaders of world opinion, there are followers, and then there are tantrum-throwing assholes like Chirac. "Going to a march organized by Communists doesn't make you a Communist, any more than going to a march organized by Nazis makes you a Nazi." - Glenn Reynolds CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere! Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #82,350 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:03:07 AM 2/18/03 9:18:40 AM Reply	Are you sure you are not describing your reaction warned that we could expect weasel response. He has a lot more to offer than you do 'little boy'. Oh I get it - the world just threw a tantrum !!! Edited by dmarker Feb. 18, 2003, 09:18:40 AM EST Expand All History
Post #82,383 by marlowe 2/18/03 10:36:52 AM Reply	I don't have a problem with the world. Slowly but surely, the world is coming around. Will you? No oil for TotalFinaElf! CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere! Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #82,441 by Ashton 2/18/03 2:02:33 PM Reply	But... Will we run out of $$ before we buy them all ??
Post #82,473 by boxley 2/18/03 3:50:03 PM Reply	naw, we will do it with their cash and resources will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,517 by Brandioch 2/18/03 7:14:19 PM Reply	You'd better check your facts. The "world" isn't coming around. Look at the huge protests. But the people in the governments can be bought. The problem is, keeping them bought until we invade. Otherwise, you have to buy them again.
Post #82,529 by bepatient 2/18/03 8:59:06 PM Reply	So the "world" is all protesting? Add up the protests to get...oh...1.5 million people...and...what's the world population? Must be your own form of propoganda. Look...there's a gang over there bitching about not being able to smoke in restaurants. Must mean THE WORLD wants to smoke in restaurants. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,530 by boxley 2/18/03 9:12:28 PM Reply	Well they DO! in France :-) thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,535 by a6l6e6x 2/18/03 9:55:53 PM Reply	So, compare it to the number of people... demonstrating for war. Perhaps the rest of the people don't know or care or aren't allowed to express their deeply held convictions. I'll be looking for pickets with "Annihilate Iraq Now!" signs. Alex "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain
Post #82,539 by boxley 2/18/03 10:16:53 PM Reply	great idea! thanx! :-) hey hey hey waddya know Saddam Hussein has got to go Johnson Nixon Bush Bush cant be wrong join me in sining this silly song hoo rah thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,547 by dmarker 2/18/03 10:42:23 PM Reply	No poet, stick to spamming IWETHEY with text <g>
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Post #82,612 by SpiceWare 2/19/03 9:39:43 AM Reply	while numbers weren't listed the Houston Chronicle's lead-in photo for the protest story was of the people protesting the protestors. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://www.spiceware.org/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #82,667 by SpiceWare 2/19/03 2:24:41 PM Reply	protest signs you may have missed From [link\|http://www.frontpagemage.com\|http://www.frontpagemage.com] [image\|http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/AntiWarSigns.gif\|\|\|\|] Makes me wonder - do those counts of millions include or exclude those protesting in support of the war... Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://www.spiceware.org/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #82,668 by bepatient 2/19/03 2:30:56 PM Reply	If they were out on the 15th... ...you know whose figures they're included in, don't you? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,674 by Silverlock 2/19/03 2:46:25 PM Reply	A single example Got one? I do. Distorting the [link\|http://www.monkeytime.org/rally.html\|news]. How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #82,680 by bepatient 2/19/03 2:54:59 PM Reply	Excuse me? We have somebody offended by "equal coverage" without actually giving any details of how much coverage one side received versus the other. I didn't see "equal coverage" here...and there were pro-action marchers here. The major networks were certainly not giving "equal coverage" of pro-war demonstrators either. This demonstrates how easy it is to put up a web page and bitch about something. It proves zero. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,687 by Silverlock 2/19/03 3:00:58 PM Reply	I'd like to see that. It proves zero. From a math point of view, that could be interesting. <snicker> Moving along from the horrible joke above- Including the pro-war prostestors surely wouldn't affect the rounding error would it? How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #82,688 by bepatient 2/19/03 3:01:57 PM Reply	Touche :-) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,607 by Silverlock 2/19/03 9:14:38 AM Reply	1.5 million total protestors. You must be getting those numbers from that damn librul media again. Only US outlets have numbers that low. Most foreign press puts the protests in London alone at 1.5 mil. Totals range from the anemic US corporate media estimate of 1.5 to 8 million+ reported buy less bought-and-paid-for analysts. Many cities report they had the largest public gathering in their entire history. Note: I did not say "largest protest march" How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #82,623 by bepatient 2/19/03 10:46:39 AM Reply	So it was 8 million. Still a rounding error compared to world population. That was the point. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,626 by Silverlock 2/19/03 10:54:50 AM Reply	Figures Dimiss the "largest gathering in history" of many cites/nations as a rounding error. Were the worldwide shows of support after 9/11 rounding errors also? A little recent [link\|http://www.mediahorse.com/history.htm\|history] for you. (requires flash) How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #82,644 by bepatient 2/19/03 11:51:41 AM Reply	No...you continue to miss the point. People protested. Quite a few of them. In some places...it was very impressive. This does NOT equate to "the world" backing a position...or "the world" not supporting a war. This equates to however many protesters there were feeling compelled to voice their opinion. Point...in case you feel inclined to miss it again...one cannot say "the world supports x" based on this. It would not be accepted in kind by the original poster (or a multitude of others here) much the same as I was asked to supply a poll backing my assertion...then did supply that poll...and all of a sudden..."well they didn't ask the question right"...etc...ad nauseum. So...how about you stop knee-jerk reacting to statements and follow the bouncing ball? (PS...the link you provided also requires a hefty download in addition to flash...and...no agenda there at all, eh?) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,646 by Silverlock 2/19/03 12:06:24 PM Reply	You point was unsubtle. I got it. A part of the whole does not equal the whole. As that is rather self evident, I thought I would speak to something else in your post. I was commenting on your typically dismissive attitude to the protests/protestors. How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #82,660 by bepatient 2/19/03 1:31:26 PM Reply	Not dismissive. I was actually rather impressed. Its quite an organizational accomplishment to stage that many protests in that many locations and get that kind of a turnout. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,662 by Silverlock 2/19/03 1:39:25 PM Reply	My apologies then. I really am trying to keep the reflexive jerking of my knee under control. :) How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #82,664 by bepatient 2/19/03 1:58:00 PM Reply	Not necessary. But thanks. Now let me go hide that little rubber tipped mallet I've been using on you ;-) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #82,861 by Arkadiy 2/20/03 9:26:04 AM Reply	We had a guy from England in the office last week. I asked him if Blair is apt to lose the next election because of anit-war mood in Britain. His answert was - the press is hysteric, but the ordinary people he knows don't quite care about Saddam one way or another. Just another data point. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #82,352 by boxley 2/18/03 9:10:49 AM Reply	Chirac by Oliphant [link\|http://guides.lycos.com/uexpress/docs/po/default.asp?2\|http://guides.lycos..../po/default.asp?2] explains it all carefully so even the slow people can understand. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,355 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:17:13 AM Reply	But Bill - answer this one then [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=82331\|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=82331]
Post #82,358 by boxley 2/18/03 9:26:59 AM Reply	Who has the popular opinion? The French does of course who had majority opinion in Stalinist Russia? Stalin or Trotsky? what is the point you are trying to make? I have thought sadaam needs to die for a very long time. Bush appears to be willing to do that. On only 1 issues of many I agree with Bush. I disagree with just about everything else the man does but this one is right. All the handringing, and social togetherism of the rest of the world does not move me. I dont change opinions like other folks change their shirt. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,359 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:30:02 AM Reply	Classic Bill - avoid question - talk about Russia
Post #82,361 by boxley 2/18/03 9:36:37 AM Reply	bullshizzit I answered you clearly the question was who has more popular support the french or bush I answered you straight forwardly, the french. I then said it doesnt matter to me. I also gave an example of a popular position that also didnt mean shit to me. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,364 by dmarker 2/18/03 9:41:07 AM Reply	How Bill ? You talk of 'the french' I spoke of Chirac's position at the UN in relation to Bush's position & both in relation to overwhelming & worldwide opinion. It is not a French vs American question. (See the thread on propaganda practice of those who chose emotive words to distort events)
Post #82,581 by Ashton 2/19/03 5:31:51 AM Reply	OK this one makes a certain sense. To a point. Nor have I confused your take on the planned execution to imply that you have thrown your lot in with the sleaze sheltered under this Texas bird's two right wings. But I claim: that in accepting Bush's plan (and apart from that choice: also lending credence to the rest of his agenda here and abroad) - you still miss the likelihood that the cure may dwarf the disease, in the web of completely uncontrollable consequences. And there is daily evidence of the poor thought about 'next steps' which has preceeded this war prep. You appear to accept this litany of probabilities - which may include a general melee including attacks on Israel (thus next: by Israel), the involvement of everyone from Uzbeks to all the Arab battling clans of old, on down to a really kindled Pakistan/India contretemps. All this for the visceral satisfaction of killing an aging boor, who is currently circumscribed within his wretched borders. And if 'freeing the Iraqi people' were high on your list (?) what about the Rwanda genocide, E. Timor, various African equivalents by equally Bad Men? Etc. People thought that assassinating Castro would be a Good Thing\ufffd too.. whether or not the JFK killing was related - we'll never learn. Maybe that's also our motto re world affairs: We'll Never Learn. Ashton
Post #82,611 by boxley 2/19/03 9:39:24 AM Reply	Glad you asked, whats next The unintended consequences might be unintended to Bush et al but not to me. The entire area from suez east to India South to aden north to russia excluding persia is a group of loosely related highly self identified ethnic semites. (include Jews in the group) The major 3 co-hesive pieces are religion (Shia Sunni the 2 major muslim pieces) Jewish and a small christian group. The major social groups are baath-ist (syria and Iraq) PUK (Kurd) and Fatah(palestinian). The major hardline religious folks are the wahibi and the Iranian Revolutionary council and Mahounds boys. The invasion of Iraq will start a blood letting against the baath which should spill into Syria. The Iranians as well as Turkey will be Jockeying for position over Kurdistan The entire area ( hopefully) will end up a loosly confederated group of citystates with a very weak central government propped up by the UN. This in turn will be eyed by the denziens of the gulf states which will either break the stranglehold of the wahibi's and the people will do it for them. The Israelis and the Palestinians will both see an oportunity to make hay while the sun shines, I expect that both will expand their borders and consolidate against Syria at the expense of both lebanon and Jordan. Remeber, the only group of people in that area that is hated as much as the Jews is the Palestinians. Both can and have seized the moment in the past. I see the Arab league in such disaray that peace in Israel can be accomplished. The only reason Arafat could not accept the deal at camp david was because it would have been a death sentence for him and everyone involved. Total breakdown of the Arab states is the only way for the Palestinians and the Jews to settle their differences without outside preasures and threats. It could well fail but I think (as usual) chaos is a good thing in human relations. The persians if they play their card right could get mecca which has been their goal all along. I trust the Persian people against their mullahs, I could be wrong there. All in all a better place. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
Post #82,830 by Ashton 2/20/03 2:49:36 AM Reply	Well.. now that I understand your strategy WTF - let's bomb the shit out of the place and watch it on Tee Vee with marlowe, in his Nintendo tee shirt.. Better an anarchist than a boot-licking Repo lackey, I say.
Post #82,852 by boxley 2/20/03 8:44:54 AM Reply	na, the best outcome is shia owning mecca little bastards will schism war for the next 150 years and forget all about us if we keep our noses out. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] \ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar

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