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Post #81,048
by boxley
2/11/03 10:18:59 PM
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New wether it was the frame IT department or uncaring
non technical budget drones it was small departments trying to find a better way to do their jobs and bought pc's off budget that drove the revolution. It will be those folks who doom the pc revolution to a backwater,
thanx,
bill
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Post #81,052
by imric
2/11/03 10:23:27 PM
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New Harkening back
to my discussions with Bob, if those departments want those things, they must allocate part of thier own budget to IT or support them wholly by themslves - with NO support FROM IT.

I have always been a proponent of heterogenous environments with the tools that get the work done, rather than homogenous 1-size-fits-all monolithic 'solutions'. One must recognize that there ARE other concerns with departments bypassing IT/IS, however...
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Post #81,054
by boxley
2/11/03 10:26:15 PM
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New you call those discussions? :-)
remember them fondly, even posted (I think). I enjoyed Bob's stuff and responses more than most of the other stuff.
thanx,
bill
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Post #81,106
by imric
2/12/03 8:37:09 AM
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New *smile*
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     Big Misconception by a lot of IT staffers - (boxley) - (45) - Feb. 11, 2003, 08:33:10 AM EST
         Re: Big Misconception by a lot of IT staffers - (cwbrenn) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:50:25 AM EST
         Big difference between helpdesk and developers -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:55:24 AM EST
             Well if you want to be helpdesk all your life :-) - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:57:20 AM EST
                 People who have to unscrew users's machines are helpdesk -NT - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:00:55 AM EST
         Point to the example - (broomberg) - (7) - Feb. 11, 2003, 08:33:52 PM EST
             No I was responding to another post - (boxley) - (6) - Feb. 11, 2003, 08:52:06 PM EST
                 Remembering an Operations Research professor saying.. - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:23:34 PM EST
                     Patently untrue. - (tseliot) - Feb. 12, 2003, 11:58:24 AM EST
                     You are being paid to provide a professional opinion - (boxley) - Feb. 12, 2003, 12:03:37 PM EST
                     This is true - (orion) - Feb. 12, 2003, 12:17:41 PM EST
                     Uh huh - like this - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2003, 07:02:44 AM EST
                         Sounds like the lawfirm I had worked at - (orion) - Feb. 13, 2003, 08:19:45 PM EST
         This attitude of the Frame folks? - (imric) - (32) - Feb. 11, 2003, 08:51:48 PM EST
             As I have never worked in a Frame shop - (boxley) - (17) - Feb. 11, 2003, 08:58:51 PM EST
                 *sigh* resistance to change - (imric) - (16) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:13:03 PM EST
                     Sorry now I can speak from personal experience - (boxley) - (15) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:48:34 PM EST
                         LINUX DOESNT #@$%& WORK NEVER HAS WORKED AND WONT GO IN HERE - (imric) - (14) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:12:17 PM EST
                             wether it was the frame IT department or uncaring - (boxley) - (3) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:18:59 PM EST
                                 Harkening back - (imric) - (2) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:23:27 PM EST
                                     you call those discussions? :-) - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:26:15 PM EST
                                         *smile* -NT - (imric) - Feb. 12, 2003, 08:37:09 AM EST
                             Also why is "change management" a dicipline all by itself? - (boxley) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:21:30 PM EST
                                 Dunno. Because people suck at it? - (tseliot) - (8) - Feb. 12, 2003, 12:02:47 PM EST
                                     Management only needs to be changed when it is bad - (orion) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2003, 12:11:26 PM EST
                                         Not sure what that has to do with my point. - (tseliot) - (6) - Feb. 12, 2003, 12:14:02 PM EST
                                             We have one woman specifically to handle that. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2003, 04:37:08 PM EST
                                                 When did you join my company? - (drewk) - Feb. 12, 2003, 04:40:00 PM EST
                                             Sorry my mistake - (orion) - (3) - Feb. 12, 2003, 11:11:35 PM EST
                                                 You've forgotten that entire thread in 'flame' already. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2003, 04:09:50 AM EST
                                                     I said I couldn't remember it alll - (orion) - Feb. 13, 2003, 08:16:37 PM EST
                                                 "Managing" the process of change - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 13, 2003, 11:31:48 AM EST
             Cost effective, not toys! - (broomberg) - (10) - Feb. 12, 2003, 04:01:58 PM EST
                 Who said anything about toys? - (imric) - (8) - Feb. 12, 2003, 06:38:05 PM EST
                     He said *most* MF programmers. - (static) - Feb. 12, 2003, 07:07:31 PM EST
                     You did. - (broomberg) - (6) - Feb. 12, 2003, 07:19:00 PM EST
                         Well - that stereotype IS a hot button, with me. - (imric) - (5) - Feb. 12, 2003, 07:44:42 PM EST
                             Do you consider the AS400 a MF? - (broomberg) - (4) - Feb. 12, 2003, 08:05:11 PM EST
                                 Nah - a midrange. - (imric) - (3) - Feb. 12, 2003, 08:55:10 PM EST
                                     Skewed for sure - (broomberg) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2003, 09:20:04 PM EST
                                         Oh, you can have it... - (imric) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2003, 09:25:04 PM EST
                                             RPG isn't that bad - (broomberg) - Feb. 12, 2003, 11:22:56 PM EST
                 the only current interface with framers was my last gig - (boxley) - Feb. 12, 2003, 08:00:29 PM EST
             Glass Room People then - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 13, 2003, 07:27:52 AM EST
                 why didnt they shift to the prime boxen? - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2003, 08:47:24 AM EST
                     Prime had just folded - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 13, 2003, 05:09:43 PM EST

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