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New No I was responding to another post
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but it was buried in the middle of a long noise to signal posting. I thought the point was important to make and discuss. An example was HB of HB Systems, ann accountant who was a gm of a small telco, thought software sucked and wrote his own. He is a solid Builder of systems but knows what it takes to run a business. Mr Moen of local fame also came from the business end. Some strictly from tech types, went on to run businesses. I analyze things. Every business has a model of some type that by trial error and time creates a baseline. Now I will not pretend I could come to your company and run it without looking at it but after 60 days onsite and access everywhere I could. Thats how my brain works. Find the pattern, tweak it, refine it, make it run better whether Technology, cars, or women with varied success :-)
thanx,
bill
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New Remembering an Operations Research professor saying..
"Never tell someone who has been running a business for 25 years how to do it better.". They have seen it all and if intelligent have evolved it to the point you have nothing add. If they are not intelligent, they would not listen to you anyway.

You can only help with a piece of an operation that you can grasp and analyze.
Alex

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain
New Patently untrue.
I may not "know their business" as well as they do, but that doesn't mean they can't benefit from years of experience dealing with information systems. An intelligent person understands there are things others understand better.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New You are being paid to provide a professional opinion
In a professional manner so tell the truth as you see it in a way they can understand and let them make decisions based on your (and others) opinions.
thanx,
bill
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New This is true
my last job this was true. The Boss had run the company for 15 years, and he always told us "You nerds don't know how a business works, which is why I have to tell you what I want your programs to do." So I did everything his way, I took careful notes, and wrote down exactly the way he wanted things to work. I understood the way he did business and put it into my programs.

Two months later I was terminated, while my coworker that didn't follow what he said kept her job. Bizzaro! :)

The moral of the story is that if you put everything they want into a program, it is going to take longer than doing it your own way. When management wants a program done quick, if you do it their way, it will not be as quick because you have to slow down to make sure that things are exactly the way they want them.

Still I made that Supervisor Control Center screen in less than a day with the status being updated every 15 minutes, as he wanted it. When my coworker heard about it, she just rolled her eyes, but I told the boss that I could do it for him exactly the way he wants it, and I did.


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New Uh huh - like this
The little story has been floating around for awhile - but its kind of apt.

On the one hand - this process that has evolved may have a lot of good knowledge embedded in it. But you still have to keep reevaluating it in terms of current environment. Maybe the water has been turned off now.

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Start with a cage containing five apes In the cage, hang a banana on a string and put stairs under it. Before long, an ape will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the Banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the apes with cold water.

After a while, another ape makes an attempt with the same result -all the apes are sprayed with cold water.

Turn off the cold water.

If, later, another ape tries to climb the stairs, the other apes will try to prevent it even though no water sprays them.

Now, remove one ape from the cage and replace it with a new one. The New ape sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of the other apes attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five apes and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous Newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.

Again, replace a third original ape with a new one. The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked as well.

Two of the four apes that beat him have no idea why they weren't permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest ape.

After replacing the fourth and fifth original apes, all the apes which have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no ape ever again approaches the stairs.

Why not?

"Because that's the way it's always been around here."

And that's how company policy begins.



I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.

--Alan Perlis
New Sounds like the lawfirm I had worked at
because that is almost exactly how things were there. :) They removed so many of the previous people that the new ones had no idea why they were doing the things they were doing. Which is exactly what management wanted anyway.


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     Big Misconception by a lot of IT staffers - (boxley) - (45)
         Re: Big Misconception by a lot of IT staffers - (cwbrenn)
         Big difference between helpdesk and developers -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2)
             Well if you want to be helpdesk all your life :-) - (boxley) - (1)
                 People who have to unscrew users's machines are helpdesk -NT - (Arkadiy)
         Point to the example - (broomberg) - (7)
             No I was responding to another post - (boxley) - (6)
                 Remembering an Operations Research professor saying.. - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                     Patently untrue. - (tseliot)
                     You are being paid to provide a professional opinion - (boxley)
                     This is true - (orion)
                     Uh huh - like this - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         Sounds like the lawfirm I had worked at - (orion)
         This attitude of the Frame folks? - (imric) - (32)
             As I have never worked in a Frame shop - (boxley) - (17)
                 *sigh* resistance to change - (imric) - (16)
                     Sorry now I can speak from personal experience - (boxley) - (15)
                         LINUX DOESNT #@$%& WORK NEVER HAS WORKED AND WONT GO IN HERE - (imric) - (14)
                             wether it was the frame IT department or uncaring - (boxley) - (3)
                                 Harkening back - (imric) - (2)
                                     you call those discussions? :-) - (boxley) - (1)
                                         *smile* -NT - (imric)
                             Also why is "change management" a dicipline all by itself? - (boxley) - (9)
                                 Dunno. Because people suck at it? - (tseliot) - (8)
                                     Management only needs to be changed when it is bad - (orion) - (7)
                                         Not sure what that has to do with my point. - (tseliot) - (6)
                                             We have one woman specifically to handle that. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                                 When did you join my company? - (drewk)
                                             Sorry my mistake - (orion) - (3)
                                                 You've forgotten that entire thread in 'flame' already. -NT - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                     I said I couldn't remember it alll - (orion)
                                                 "Managing" the process of change - (Arkadiy)
             Cost effective, not toys! - (broomberg) - (10)
                 Who said anything about toys? - (imric) - (8)
                     He said *most* MF programmers. - (static)
                     You did. - (broomberg) - (6)
                         Well - that stereotype IS a hot button, with me. - (imric) - (5)
                             Do you consider the AS400 a MF? - (broomberg) - (4)
                                 Nah - a midrange. - (imric) - (3)
                                     Skewed for sure - (broomberg) - (2)
                                         Oh, you can have it... - (imric) - (1)
                                             RPG isn't that bad - (broomberg)
                 the only current interface with framers was my last gig - (boxley)
             Glass Room People then - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                 why didnt they shift to the prime boxen? - (boxley) - (1)
                     Prime had just folded - (tuberculosis)

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