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Post #79,154
by rickmoen
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2/4/03 9:28:46 AM
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New Re: Not so sure about that.
Scott wrote:

Perhaps they should stay away from Debian *installers*... and then only if they are a dyed-in-the-wool Windows user.

That's basically what I was trying to say. Debian is a maintenance regime and an administrative framework, not a particular installer. Caveat: Some people are unnerved by the lack of central administrative tools in Debian. See notes about Libranet/Xandros, below.

The following are all reasonable ways to get onto Debian:

Libranet and Xandros Desktop OS installers. These give you easier access to popular non-redistributable proprietary "desktop" stuff (RealPlayer, Flash plugin, other things). Xandros gives you an all-X11 install (used to be Corel Linux OS), while Libranet is ncurses-based (character graphics). i386-only. Good automatic hardware detection, in both cases. Cutting-edge kernel and XFree86 support for new hardware, if you buy the boxed sets. (The Libranet image generally available on the Net is for an older version.) Both include GUI administrative tools of the sort that some users prefer.

Progeny Graphical Installer image for Debian 3.0/woody. No non-redistributable proprietary "desktop" tchotchkes, but all X11-based. i386 and ia64-only. Good automatic hardware detection.

Knoppix disk and its knx-install script. i386-only. Unsurpassed automatic hardware detection. Totally painless installation.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
Post #79,170
by admin
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2/4/03 10:18:28 AM
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New One thing I have always maintained:
The best way to learn is to actually do it yourself. If Thane's intention is to learn Linux, then using the bf24 install and building the system one package at a time is the best way to do so. Getting a giant lump of preinstalled stuff (Debian or not) on a system is overwhelming, IMO.

Of course, if he's really into serious pain, he could use the patented kmself chroot install like I did.[1] :-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

[1] It wasn't THAT bad, actually... ;-)
     XFree configuration help needed. - (inthane-chan) - (40) - Feb. 3, 2003, 10:54:40 AM EST
         Re: XFree configuration help needed. - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 3, 2003, 10:56:37 AM EST
         just for grins - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:03:37 AM EST
             No dice. Same spew. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:34:25 AM EST
         Post the puke. -NT - (admin) - (3) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:04:46 AM EST
             First link in initial post. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:28:44 AM EST
                 Whoops, missed that. - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:32:22 AM EST
                     Haven't got a clue. - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:34:05 AM EST
         OT did you sic Brandi onto - (boxley) - (3) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:41:34 AM EST
             Just googled the link. - (inthane-chan) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:46:34 AM EST
             seagoth? - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 3, 2003, 12:09:37 PM EST
                 thought you might like it -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 3, 2003, 12:26:00 PM EST
         Radeon 9000 not supported yet? - (admin) - (27) - Feb. 3, 2003, 11:56:43 AM EST
             Yes - (Steve Lowe) - Feb. 3, 2003, 12:05:02 PM EST
             So looks like I need to bump my XF86 version. - (inthane-chan) - (25) - Feb. 3, 2003, 12:21:40 PM EST
                 Re: So looks like I need to bump my XF86 version. - (rickmoen) - (18) - Feb. 3, 2003, 01:01:36 PM EST
                     Ditto. - (admin) - Feb. 3, 2003, 01:14:47 PM EST
                     Well, that's part of the problem. - (inthane-chan) - (16) - Feb. 3, 2003, 01:18:23 PM EST
                         Re: Well, that's part of the problem. - (rickmoen) - (15) - Feb. 3, 2003, 02:08:40 PM EST
                             Might look into that. - (inthane-chan) - (10) - Feb. 3, 2003, 02:15:32 PM EST
                                 Re: Might look into that. - (deSitter) - (6) - Feb. 3, 2003, 03:02:28 PM EST
                                     No. - (pwhysall) - (5) - Feb. 4, 2003, 07:33:08 AM EST
                                         Not worth responding to. RTFRN -NT - (deSitter) - (4) - Feb. 4, 2003, 08:29:39 AM EST
                                             Heh. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:06:44 AM EST
                                                 Now I'm pissed - (deSitter) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:25:06 AM EST
                                                     Re: Now I'm pissed - (pwhysall) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:30:20 AM EST
                                                     Pissed, maybe, but still wrong. - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 10:14:32 AM EST
                                 Re: Might look into that. - (rickmoen) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:14:21 AM EST
                                     Thanks! - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2003, 10:43:57 AM EST
                                         Dooo eeet - (pwhysall) - Feb. 4, 2003, 10:59:05 AM EST
                             Not so sure about that. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 3, 2003, 03:57:05 PM EST
                                 Re: Not so sure about that. - (rickmoen) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:28:46 AM EST
                                     One thing I have always maintained: - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 10:18:28 AM EST
                             Gracias - (Ashton) - Feb. 4, 2003, 06:30:20 AM EST
                 Re: So looks like I need to bump my XF86 version. - (inthane-chan) - (4) - Feb. 3, 2003, 03:17:47 PM EST
                     Re: So looks like I need to bump my XF86 version. - (rickmoen) - (3) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:40:35 AM EST
                         Resolving dependancies. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2003, 10:47:26 AM EST
                             Re: Resolving dependancies. - (rickmoen) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2003, 11:02:50 AM EST
                                 My preferred kernel-building technique: - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 11:09:28 AM EST
                 Re: So looks like I need to bump my XF86 version. - (rickmoen) - Feb. 4, 2003, 10:42:00 AM EST
         Depth 1? - (deSitter) - Feb. 3, 2003, 03:16:12 PM EST

A load of old toss.
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