Post #78,997
2/3/03 5:17:37 PM
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How to shoot yourself in the foot in Debian.
Well, I had a spot of fun today... :)
I know enough not to "rm -rf /" or "dd if=/bin/telnet.d of=/dev/hda", but apparently I don't know enough to not type "apt-get remove x-window-system".
Ooops. :)
Luckily, I haven't done much with the beast yet, so I'm transferring my (minimal) work to my 2gb FAT32 partition, and starting over.
I'm having so much *FUN*! I haven't had this much fun since I taught myself DOS with nothing but the help command...
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #78,999
2/3/03 5:23:59 PM
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ya mean ya didnt want to remove the Xsystem? :-)
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Post #79,002
2/3/03 5:32:21 PM
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I did.
Thought the problem I was having with X still starting 4.1.0 was that 4.1.0 and 4.2.1 were simultaneously installed. I was wrong, actually - it was that I'd pointed the "testing" distro uri to a "stable" point - and so it thought that it was installing from "testing" when it was actually installing from "stable."
At least, that's as near as I can figure it.
Now, for some more humor. I was trying to take a peek at the sources.list file, and wanted to change my location for testing - and noticed that emacs didn't work any more.
apt-get install emacs
Emacs frigging wants *WHAT* in order to run? (You figure it out - but I Just Don't Get It. Sheesh, no WONDER people call it an operating system.)
So I bopped into vim, flailed around a bit until I gave up, and downloaded a little package named zile, which did not require X in order to run. Worked fine, tried to reinstall X, and noticed that a bunch of stuff I was expecting wasn't there.
Shrug. Time to start over.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #79,005
2/3/03 5:48:23 PM
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No.... DON'T DO THAT... this is PERFECT...
Time to LEARN!!!
If it boots at all... run this:
base-config
and Start-over that way... go through the steps just like you did before... it should be able to recover from it...
There are a bunch of other things you can do... but Don't R&R... it just isn't right...
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
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Post #79,006
2/3/03 5:49:41 PM
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oooOOOooo.
It's PLAY-TIME!
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #79,019
2/3/03 6:25:57 PM
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Error spew
startx\n\nusr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory\nusr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: No such file or directory\ngiving up.\nxinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server\nxinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. This after running base-config. Same as before. :P "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #79,075
2/3/03 9:40:36 PM
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deborphan
apt-get install deborphan
orphaner -a
start clearing out the stuff you don't need. select a few items and hit <ok> and then re-run it.
If X isn't installed correctly, uninstall it
dpkg --purge blahblahblah
if necessary
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Once that is done, check to make sure you're on the correct distribution (stable, testing, unstable).
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
which apps does it want to install?
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As long as debian can boot and find a network connection, you'll never need to wipe the drive.
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debian is sooooooo wonderful
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Post #79,077
2/3/03 9:49:59 PM
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What he said... Plus...
Also... Aptitude works very well it has Virtual packages and such... also if you do it you'll see the F10 key... play around with it... The virtual packages are nice to help you select things... Plus aptitude also has "Task" select.
apt-get install aptitude
Once you get X working:
apt-get install synaptic
You'll like both of em...
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Even Microsoft will develop apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #79,186
2/4/03 10:46:51 AM
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Re: deborphan
Brandioch wrote:
apt-get install deborphan
The debfoster utility is a somewhat more systematic and comprehensive utility, that does much the same thing. You might want to check that out, too.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
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Post #79,194
2/4/03 11:05:49 AM
2/4/03 1:44:36 PM
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WHOLLY... COW-DROPPINGS... (revised ala CRC)
Jumping GEE Golly Batman... knight:~# apt-get install debfoster ---snip--- Selecting previously deselected package debfoster. (Reading database ... 90129 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking debfoster (from .../debfoster_2.5-1_i386.deb) ... Setting up debfoster (2.5-1) ... ---snip--- knight:~# debfoster python-gnome is keeping the following 35 packages installed: bonobo esound-clients esound-common gconf gdk-imlib1 gnome-bin gnome-libs-data imlib-base libart2 libaudiofile0 libbonobo2 libcapplet0 libefs1 libesd0 libgal-data libgal19 libgconf11 libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 libglade-gnome0 libgnome32 libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data libgnomeprint15 libgnomesupport0 libgnomeui32 libgnorba27 libgnorbagtk0 libgtkhtml20 libgtkxmhtml1 liboaf0 liborbit0 libpanel-applet0 libzvt2 oaf python-gdk-imlib Keep python-gnome? [Ynpsiuqx?], [H]elp: N ---snip--- more of the same Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: bonobo* esound-clients* gconf* gnome-bin* gnome-libs-data* libbonobo2* libcapplet0* libesd0* libgconf11* libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2* libglade-gnome0* libgnome32* libgnomeprint-bin* libgnomeprint-data* libgnomeprint15* libgnomesupport0* libgnomeui32* libgnorba27* libgtkhtml20* libsane* nethack* nethack-common* nethack-x11* ppp* pppconfig* python-glade* python-gnome* python-imaging-sane* python2.1-imaging-sane* xpdf* xpdf-reader* ytalk* 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 32 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 20.8MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y (Reading database ... 90139 files and directories currently installed.) Removing python-gnome ... Removing libgtkhtml20 ... Purging configuration files for libgtkhtml20 ... ---snip--- more of the same dpkg - warning: while removing gconf, directory `/etc/gconf' not empty so not removed. Purging configuration files for gconf ... knight:~# And... that my dear folks is the end of configuration for the new "Z" box... ;) edit: Egads, hadn't thought about that... not using <pre> now using <tt> ;) plus I snipped a bunch out for you Christian!
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Post #79,240
2/4/03 1:23:04 PM
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Lay off the damn PRE tags and zillion-char lines, willya?!?!
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Post #79,248
2/4/03 1:43:24 PM
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Thanks! But, hey, it wasn't...
...so much the zillion *lines* per se (though the snip was also welcome), but the zillion characters *on* each line. Made every post in the follow-on thread just as wide, which means horizontal scrolling on some screens (like this laptop).
So, again, thanks!
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #79,250
2/4/03 1:48:22 PM
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Well, that is a hazard of running...
at 1600x1200 with tinee tiny fonts for terminals... I run putty at 8pt fixed width on Windoze, X I run 1600x1200 full screen term no frame at 8pt also... I get about 270 char width....
OOPS... sorry
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These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #79,195
2/4/03 11:06:45 AM
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Re: deborphan
droooooooooooooooooooooool.
Peter
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Post #79,288
2/4/03 3:40:48 PM
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Hey, that's awesome.
Thanks!
I hadn't heard of that before.
Spring cleaning time! :D
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Post #79,113
2/4/03 12:14:16 AM
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Re: How to shoot yourself in the foot in Debian.
\r\napparently I don't know enough to not type "apt-get remove x-window-system"\r\n \r\n\r\n What part of apt-get install x-window-system didn't\r\nwork? \r\n\r\n Part of what sold me on Debian was accomodating for the fact that the\r\nsystem I was running didn't have enough space to both include emacs and\r\nbuild a kernel. Absent a "--purge", apt-get remove just deletes the\r\nbinary components of a package, but not its configs. Those\r\nremain. You should just be able to reinstall and roll. If that doesn't\r\nwork, report back with specific error messages. \r\n --\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #79,120
2/4/03 12:52:31 AM
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Had to reinstall.
*something* I did (and I admit it wholely) munched both the network and the CD-ROM drive. At that point, it was much faster just to revert to the default state, than to create the floppies it would have taken to make it work. Yes, I tried "mount" to no avail. :P So, I'm back to kernel 2.2, XFree86 4.2.1, and I'm currently installing the server packages as well, which didn't upgrade when I grabbed the Testing branch xfree86-common package. The relevant spew: (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device.\n(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. I'm sticking both the log and the config file on my website - see here: [link|http://www.oz.net/~inthane/XF86Config-4|XF86Config-4] [link|http://www.oz.net/~inthane/XFree86.0.log|XFree86.0.log] Any thoughts? "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #79,141
2/4/03 8:36:38 AM
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Re: Had to reinstall.
*Get off* kernel 2.2 - don't even waste a minute on it.
Why don't you install X manually after getting a non-graphics 2.4.x install running? I'll be happy to help.
-drl
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Post #79,148
2/4/03 9:14:04 AM
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Because if he installs it manually...
... the dependencies will all be fux0red.
He's doing fine; he just needs to update the kernel.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #79,153
2/4/03 9:27:51 AM
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How?
How can that happen? X is an independent thing.
-drl
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Post #79,156
2/4/03 9:32:12 AM
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Say...
...why don't you keep out of this. This is a Debian thing, and therefore evil, communist, hiveminded and downright anti-American.
So you're not interested.
Peter
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Post #79,163
2/4/03 9:57:13 AM
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Re: Say...
Why don't you stick it in your arse?
Linux is Linux - or are you claiming Debian install is some mystical cabalistic ritual?
I'm going to install it on my alternate laptop beginning in about 20 minutes. I'll let you know when I reach the mystic-cabal part, I may need janitorial wannabe-MCSE help.
-drl
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Post #79,165
2/4/03 10:01:15 AM
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Haha.
Dependencies in Debian are, funnily enough, a Debian thing.
For a clever bloke, you're a real fuckwit.
Peter
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Post #79,181
2/4/03 10:40:43 AM
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What was your name...
From the other end of the Phone: deSitter... why?
Operator: <thinking> They'll never learn...</thinking> Oh just making sure your account is taken care of...
Phone: Oh, OK... Thanks...
Peter, you are my idol... I fashion myself after your BOFH-li-ness...
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #79,166
2/4/03 10:03:53 AM
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I suspect you need to RTFDM
Then you'll be qualified to comment on this. As it is, you're talking out of your ass.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #79,142
2/4/03 8:39:36 AM
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Try the latest...
Kernel in Sarge...
2.4.20-5... That should help tremndously...
If you *DO* another R&R try the "bf24" install from CD. I find it much more able to handle things... probably why your framebuffer problems are there... as the 2.2kernel in Woody doesn't recognize it as a valid device either... but the 2.4.18 kernel (used with the bf24 install) should.
Don't get me wrong, the 2.2 kernel is fantastic, just that device support is lacking.
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Even Microsoft will develop apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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