I think the opposite has been claimed.

Post #78,408 by Brandioch 1/31/03 12:33:48 PM Reply	I think the opposite has been claimed. unless called on it then you exit stage right ad nauseum. I will hammer a point until the thread has right shifted beyond readability. I do NOT leave a discussion. There is no difference between targeting a building full of civilians with a plane or with a cruise missile. No difference. The only difference between killing with a missile and stomping their heads beneath your boots is whether you can see their faces and their eyes. You're trying to salve your emotions by distancing yourself from the actual killing so you can PRETEND that they weren't kids just like you see every day. So you can PRETEND that they were faceless "collateral damage". They are PEOPLE. Not THINGS.
Post #78,412 by boxley 1/31/03 12:39:01 PM Reply	When did I ever argue otherwise? Killing kids is killing kids thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,415 by Brandioch 1/31/03 12:58:59 PM Reply	Here's a link that you might have forgotten about. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=78095\|I want to you post that.] Yet you would NOT post that. Hmmmm. When did I ever argue otherwise? Through this entire thread. Killing kids is killing kids Not accourding to your posts in this thread. If it were so, then you wouldn't have any problem stomping baby skulls. To quote you AGAIN: [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=78188\|One is murder, the other is killing.] We are getting ready to murder children in a country that has NOT attacked us nor our allies. We are WRONG.
Post #78,433 by boxley 1/31/03 2:01:40 PM Reply	we are getting ready to kill kids and you are wrong I asked you for a link and you submit a petty gotcha wanting everything your way. Sorry, I came here for an argument based on exchange of information and ideas. You came here to impose your emotions on everyone else. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,436 by Brandioch 1/31/03 2:12:40 PM Reply	Awww, does it hurt when you're shown to be wrong? When you are the agressor, it doesn't matter whether you use planes or missiles or whether you crush their skulls under your boots. You are killing innocent civilians AND you are wrong. We aren't DRUNK, we aren't ACCIDENTALLY launching those missiles and we are NOT pursuing OTHER courses that would NOT kill innocent civilians. Sorry, I came here for an argument based on exchange of information and ideas. Those are the FACTS. If you have a problem with them, that is your problem. The same way people here feel about a plane hitting the WTC -is- The same way people there will feel about a cruise missile hitting their home.
Post #78,441 by boxley 1/31/03 2:19:32 PM Reply	No need to apologise or capitulate, you refuse to accept that a dead kid is a dead kid. So make noise if you wish but present it a little better will ya? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,446 by Brandioch 1/31/03 2:39:36 PM Reply	I do neither. And you've shifted your position. you refuse to accept that a dead kid is a dead kid. Nice try. You lose. I have never stated that a dead kid is anything other than a dead kid. My point has always been about the KILLING of the child. Flying a plane into a building and killing children -is no different than- Sending a cruise missile into a building and killing children -which is no different than- Crushing the child's skull beneath your boot You claimed that they were. The only difference is whether you can see their faces and their eyes when they die. You make me sick.
Post #78,455 by boxley 1/31/03 3:25:29 PM Reply	puke away, you just shifted YOUR position My point has always been about the KILLING of the child. no it wasnt a few threads back you were calling it murder I WAS CALLING IT KILLING. Nice reversal Sid. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,464 by Brandioch 1/31/03 3:50:33 PM Reply	Cute. But I can post references to your posts. In context. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=78441\|you refuse to accept that a dead kid is a dead kid.] compared with [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=78188\|One is murder, the other is killing.] no it wasnt a few threads back you were calling it murder I WAS CALLING IT KILLING. Nice reversal Sid. Hmmm, you are probably refering to [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=78292\|this post]. Hmmmm, it seems that YOU are the one attempting to claim that it is "killing" when done by our side, but "murder" when done by their side. I am still consistent that there is no difference between what the terrorists did and what we are planning to do. But now you claim that I am making such a distinction? I guess that's why you couldn't post a reference and I could. Flying a plane into a building and killing children -is no different than- Sending a cruise missile into a building and killing children -which is no different than- Crushing the child's skull beneath your boot
Post #78,480 by boxley 1/31/03 4:36:38 PM Reply	I did post a reference to that and you ignored it bob and weave all you want to I am right you are wrong. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,499 by Brandioch 1/31/03 5:55:27 PM Reply	Make all the claims you want to. The proof is delivery. Awwwww, I'm really sure that you said that. I really am. Really. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=78464\|This is a link] Unfortunately for you, I have no problem posting links to previous posts that reference your ORIGINAL position. Now I'm sure that you can post a link to an EARLIER post from you that contradicts that. I'm sure you can. You just don't have the time or something, right?
Post #78,507 by boxley 1/31/03 7:18:55 PM Reply	Oh Christ, the magic man returns!! self referencing proves! You select several links of YOURS to claim I am making points. lets continue in that vein. I will post a link to your post where you claim killing kids is murder. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=77829\|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=77829] Flying a plane into a building and killing children -is no different than- Sending a cruise missile into a building and killing children -which is no different than- Crushing the child's skull beneath your boot One is murder, the next killing the third murder. Hijacking planes flying them into buildings [link\|http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00001.htm\|http://www.usdoj.gov...tle9/crm00001.htm] murder the catholic view of the difference between murder and killing In this hypothesis it is, at most, permitted on account of a reason commensurate with so great an evil as is the destruction of human life. Thus, for instance, a military commander may train his guns upon a fortified place, even though in the bombardment which follows he knows perfectly well that many non-combatants will perish. The sufficient cause in the case is consideration of the highest public good to be subserved by the defeat of the enemy. finally the authoritive source that you as good soldier schwenke in this case must recognise as an authority [link\|http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/02spring/butler.htm\|http://www.carlisle....spring/butler.htm] the following is the source of most of your material [link\|http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/jeffrey/www/loons/conspiracy/tyler.html\|http://www-2.cs.cmu....piracy/tyler.html] neeners, thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,508 by Another Scott 1/31/03 7:22:29 PM Reply	Careful, you'll wake the Merlin - Paris, France.

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