Re: Neither.

Post #78,102 by TTC 1/30/03 2:25:03 PM 1/30/03 2:26:13 PM Reply	Re: Neither. So it is NOT TRUE, and just the rest of the world and myself hallucinating the [link\|http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/iraq/deployment.map/index.iraq.html\|troops/carrier task forces deployed in/ard M.E.]? Or is the thought that [link\|http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/25/1042911596206.html\|"the US intends to shatter Iraq "physically, emotionally and psychologically" by raining down on its people as many as 800 cruise missiles in two days"], and I quote, The Pentagon battle plan aims not only to crush Iraqi troops, but also wipe out power and water supplies in the capital, Baghdad. It is based on a strategy known as "Shock and Awe", conceived at the National Defense University in Washington, in which between 300 and 400 cruise missiles would fall on Iraq each day for two consecutive days. It would be more than twice the number of missiles launched during the entire 40 days of the 1991 GulfWar. "There will not be a safe place in Baghdad," a Pentagon official told America's CBS News after a briefing on the plan. "The sheer size of this has never been seen before, never been contemplated before." NOT SCARY for you? Edited by TTC Jan. 30, 2003, 02:26:13 PM EST Expand All History
Post #78,103 by boxley 1/30/03 2:38:26 PM Reply	dont plan on being in downtown bahgdad anytime soon so no it is not scary for me. As a method to quickly end the war in Iraq it leaves a lot to be desired, It would be more useful to put the missiles on Tikrit but it is an old american tactic. If you cant find the Indians that killed some whites go to where the Indians can be found (reservations) and wipe THEM out. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,154 by marlowe 1/30/03 6:16:38 PM Reply	It's not wiping people out, guys. These are precision weapons. It's not like carpet bombing. Some bystanders might get caught in the blast, but that's not the objective. The objective is to take out strategic targets, and at the same time make all onlookers poop their pants. When they surrender, we'll give `em fresh undies. I think Republican Guard's barracks count as a strategic target. Likewise many government buildings. And of course power stations, communications and the like. Don't be standing near any of those, and you'll be safe, at least by middle eastern standards. The worst that can happen is Saddam jams the GPS signal, so they go a bit off course. And from what I gather, that's not likely to be very effective. "Going to a march organized by Communists doesn't make you a Communist, any more than going to a march organized by Nazis makes you a Nazi." - Glenn Reynolds The trouble with the French is they have no word for "roulons." CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere! Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #78,167 by boxley 1/30/03 6:50:13 PM Reply	I thought the comms were moved under the hospitals? will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,176 by Brandioch 1/30/03 7:16:16 PM Reply	Their death wasn't the goal. So, killing innocent civilians is okay to achieve your goals? I guess you and Saddam have something in common.
Post #78,178 by boxley 1/30/03 7:21:16 PM Reply	Marlowe has a better hat collection will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard
Post #78,194 by TTC 1/30/03 8:02:14 PM Reply	Re: It's not wiping people out, guys. Is this the same logic that the 9/11 terrorists used. I mean, the targets were SYMBOLS, not people, no? Or how'bout you try Between 300 and 400 cruise missiles would fall on US each day for two consecutive days. It would be more than twice the number of missiles launched during the entire 40 days of the 1991 GulfWar. "There will not be a safe place in Washington," an Iraqi official told America's CBS News after a briefing on the plan. "The sheer size of this has never been seen before, never been contemplated before." And then we TALK about "NOT WIPING PEOPLE OUT". Sheesh!
Post #78,359 by jb4 1/31/03 10:30:29 AM Reply	400 missiles on bagdad/day != precision They have another word for it: "carpet bombing" Ref. Hamburg, 1945 (At least, I think I have my dates correct; Ashton, pls correct if I misplaced a decimal or something. Thanx) jb4 "They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink." Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Post #78,384 by Ashton 1/31/03 11:27:03 AM Reply	Well OK Mid '43, though it had been attacked since '42. It was over 3 or 4 days of round the clock bombing: HE bombs and then incendiaries, alternating - keeping people in the shelters. The first firestorm was created, huge winds via the unprecedented chimney effect. Many cremated within the shelters - after dying from CO poisoning, as all the oxygen in the air was used by the fire. Practic for the entirely unstrategic Dresden raid of Kurt Vonnegut infamy. No way to compare - except that incendiaries are Not about surgical strikes. A firestorm? would imply genocidal levels of violence: with 2002 knowledge, IMO. Maybe we won't have to find out - if many more revelations of Admin fact-fudging occur.. a firestorm of new info? I.
Post #79,022 by mmoffitt 2/3/03 6:35:27 PM Reply	Re: NOT SCARY for you? Shoot. I thought you'd been playing along at home. Of course it isn't "scary" to any red-blooded American. Wars happen "over there" to people who don't believe in Our Savior(tm) Jesus Christ. They are heathens, aren't they? Does it matter if we get rid of some heathens? Not a bit to most of us. I thought you knew that. bcnu, Mikem
Post #79,037 by boxley 2/3/03 7:19:04 PM Reply	dont fergit commies. commie heathens, heathen communists :-) will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #79,057 by Simon_Jester 2/3/03 8:19:40 PM Reply	I always thought it was commie-mutant-traitors that caused the problems. The Computer is your friend. Trust the computer.

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