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New Yes, although the NT points out change
In Hebrew (and likely Aramaic), the meaning of the phrase "I believe ..." meant that the speaker responds or is responding to that belief with some sort of action or change in their life.


In the OT writings, this seems a truism. But notice how that foundation is cracking with the Hellenization of Judea, and then Roman occupation. It has to be addressed at all in James, et al because it became a new problem for that group of people--particularly notice it in Paul's writings to communities separated from Jerusalem (the center of Jewish orthodoxy).

I believe this had to do with the shift from "belief" meaning essentially "belief in a person" (i.e. loyalty to a patron) to the more Greek concept of belief as ideological. OT Jewish thought didn't seem to have any concept of a Truth behind reality; or, if it did, it was a personal Truth inseparable from a personal Being.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New Isnt I believe an act of oath taking?
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"The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted"
Murray Rothbard
New Depends upon your definition of oath
I use "oath" to mean invocation of a higher power (i.e. patron), usually to imply sanctions if the expressed contract is broken. "I believe X to be true," doesn't often include such an oath. "I believe in person X" might, especially if they are seen as that higher power. *Long* before Kant or even Linnaeus' assertions about taxonomy, common wisdom assumed a thing's name was coterminous with the thing itself, hence the language about taking action "in the name of" someone else. Or take the verses about "I was baptized by Paul, Apollos", etc, concerning which Paul has to take pains to make clear that such intermediaries are not going to be a part of this new covenant.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New same definition as I use, thanx
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted"
Murray Rothbard
     postulated, faith divorced from good works has no value - (boxley) - (20)
         ie "talk is cheap" ? -NT - (Ashton) - (5)
             We have a winner! -NT - (Brandioch) - (1)
                 "I'm a Mog! Half man, half dog -- I'm my own best friend!" -NT - (Ashton)
             And gibberish is cheaper? - (marlowe) - (2)
                 Babbling incoherence is GPL -NT - (deSitter)
                 Incorrect. - (Brandioch)
         so much for well thought out reasonable debate - (boxley)
         The contrary is true as well - (tangaroa)
         Sounds like James. - (tseliot) - (9)
             this is the discussion I had hoped to provoke - (boxley) - (7)
                 Good is Anonymous - (deSitter)
                 From our modern POV perhaps. - (tseliot)
                 Some thoughts on "belief" et al. - (static) - (4)
                     Yes, although the NT points out change - (tseliot) - (3)
                         Isnt I believe an act of oath taking? -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                             Depends upon your definition of oath - (tseliot) - (1)
                                 same definition as I use, thanx -NT - (boxley)
             Not so different from - - (Ashton)
         Jesus would say - (deSitter)
         Can't be done - (mhuber)

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