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New In the beginning was the Horde....

Appropriately, the poet named us. TS Eliot [link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/archive/00092497.html|yammered\r\nhere].

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Since y'all's a bunch of self-interested boobs who wants to see what\r\nyou wrote (hell, I am), there's an \r\n[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/indices/|author\r\nindex]. Oh, and BTW, BryceJ wins ;-)

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Some observations
Walk down memory lane !

Hell of a lot of 1-post wonders !!

Sheesh - Marker & Merlin together !!!

Some relative newcomers seem to have an incredible rate of acceleration !!!!

Cheers

Doug

New Wow. I'm even in there. I'd forgotten. Thanks KMS.
New Someone was asking about Freeps IWE handle...
Wasn't he James777?
New I believe so
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Is that from the beginning?
The earliest of mine seems to be November 1996.

I see lots of stuff about the old "customer choice" survey. :)

I wonder whatever happened to "shifrbv". :)

Hmmmm, it seems my opinions haven't changed much in the past 6 years.
New Yes, modulo forum errors, it's the whole shooting match...

This is a complete snapshot as of 20 July, 1999. There's about\r\nanother five months of post which aren't online.

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The first few hundred posts are also overwritten -- the forum\r\ncorruption we came to know and love wiped out the low-order posts, and\r\nyou'll find that the lowest numbers actually correspond to posts made\r\n~1999. Otherwise, the archive stretches back to the first IWE posts in\r\n1995. Numbering is a bit uneven through the first few hundred posts..

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Quickly bracketing:

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  • FIRST POST!!: \r\n [link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/archive/00000093.html|iw-admin\r\n Thu Nov 2, 12:54:10 PST 1995 Topic Thre: InfoWorld\r\n Electric\r\n Design]
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  • Last post: \r\n [link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/archive/00124662.html|cottingham,\r\n Tue, 20 Jul 1999 *I* can't even...]
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Also: this is the content that I scrubbed significantly -- running\r\ntidy over all the HTML, also updating all links to point\r\nlocally rather than to the old (now absent) archive. I did this ~2000\r\nIIRC, most of a couple of days on the laptop, semi-automated process.\r\nThe archive is of course completely static -- you can't post or update,\r\nthe CGIs don't exist.

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This is the same content that's available on the Wayback Archive,\r\nthough formatted and scrubbed to be more useful.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New I'm actually enjoying myself.
I've been skipping through some of my posts, exploring threads here and there.

Wade, who has been re-introduced to a style of parting comment he had forgotten about.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Wow. Thanks
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/archive/00043286.html|http://guildenstern....ive/00043286.html]

I hate going over my history any tellimg myself I'm a liar, though.

We currently run Oracle, PostGreSQL, and a bit of SQL/Server. I just got a laptop so I can install SQL sever as my learning environment. We are NOT "moving" from Oracle to it, just as another low end alternative to PostgreSQL. At least I'm not the admin.
New I'm prescient
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/archive/00065241.html|http://guildenstern....ive/00065241.html]

I predicted LAME coming around to Linux!
New Deja.. notice how much clearer was Le Michel's prose
Initially? As with "Linux as a media mfg. toy" ??

Seems in retrospect that, his Engrish devolved with the rise in frequency of challenges - later.

Heh.. we needs some new bots. Steve O'C - whas up?

Thanks Karsten.. and the author index makes almost for random access to the entire sinsemilla. RIP Ben Kosse, Ed Curry (and our National Honor).


Ashton
New *smile* The 'good ole days'
I was a lot more full of myself back then!

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
New As I remind you every chance I get...
My one claim to fame here... :)

P.S. I have a couple CD's full of those fora. Let me know your max post id and I'll see if I have some of the ones you're missing.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New Max post indicated above resp. to brandi

July 20 or so, 1999.

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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Jeeze does anyone remember jshekhel
Sheesh that person was one shit-stirring dude. Reading old posts brought back the memories.

Two things I look back on and feel good about, that

1) Allowing for what MS did re the BARKTO saga, we shat on MS-weenies over the net at IWE re Java.

2) We are proven right over Linux.

One thing I don't feel so good about

1) That I once defended Sun as not manipulating or trying to control Java, *I was wrong* !!!


Cheers Doug & Karsten

MANY THANKS FOR A BIT OF LIGHT_HEARTED FUN RIGHT WHEN IT WAS NEEDED IN IWETHEY
(I now feel inclined to lower my bazooka for a while <grin>)
Expand Edited by dmarker Jan. 27, 2003, 05:34:33 AM EST
New IIRC he had an encyclop\ufffddic memory of M$ weirdnesses
- and a workaround for lots.. Vaguely recall a rather detailed means of fighting DLL-Hell (which may have amounted to a kinda DIY version control?)

If that *was* js [??]

And then there was the Pro-Shill, daleross
[cackle]


Ashton
New That can't be right
I've only got 39? No way. Something ain't right. Can't be. I *know* I wasted more than 39 posts worth of my life over there.
===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
New I dont know about post count
but the dates seemed swacked. I see one to Brett Glass hat I wrote a few weeks after my return from a conference that is a year off. Ill need to double check.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted"
Murray Rothbard
New dates are good, my memory isnt :-)
was in the summer of 97 I went to the conference.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted"
Murray Rothbard
New Look at the date
That was taken in the summer of 1999. Those forums lasted almost a half-year more, and that was an active half-year.

I know that you would add quite a bit for me in that period. :-)

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New you were cypherpunks
-drl
New thought Peter was
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted"
Murray Rothbard
New A lot of people were.
Don't forget what cypherpunks was, bill...
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
New But few as much as I was... :-)
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Hell, I was cypherpunks, __a couple times__:-\ufffd
New I miss yaz and cottingham most.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New Concurditto.
New They are around
Yaz is on the mailing list, and cottingham is frequently on jabber; as is addison.
-----
Steve
New I know. (And where are you, you idler?!? :-)
New Idling, of course. ;-)
-----
Steve
New Wow. Thanks!
Nice resource...

/me wastes the rest of the morning...
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
New Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.
-- theme to All in the Family

Thanks for putting that up.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
New Re: In the beginning was the Horde....
I am getting a connection refused. Maybe my ISP is having problems, or maybe the IP for that domain changed and didn't get updated yet?


[link|http://pub75.ezboard.com/bantiiwethey|
New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
New *smile* Keep trying!

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
New I found it!
443 posts:
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/~karsten/IWE-archive/indices/author-58.html|I was Cable] and I did 443 posts?


[link|http://pub75.ezboard.com/bantiiwethey|
New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
New Re: In the beginning was the Horde....
I would like to point out how superior Scott's software is to this thing - which was really quite good.
-drl
New Agree.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
New *my* software?
1) it's open source
2) it's CollectiveYour ideas in addition to mine

;-)

But yeah, I kept wanting to view the whole thread at one time. :-P
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New We gotta blame somebody



I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.

--Alan Perlis
New ObLRPD:
What? You're not me? I'm sorry, I can't talk to you. Put me on the phone instead.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New ObSentientLRPD:
1. I've heard it before; and
2. I didn't care the first time.
New ObCorollaryLRPD: "What?"
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New *plonk*

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New 104 posts? From me? HTF did that happen? ;-)
Guess I used to do a lot less lurking in those days.
     In the beginning was the Horde.... - (kmself) - (43)
         Some observations - (dmarker)
         Wow. I'm even in there. I'd forgotten. Thanks KMS. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Someone was asking about Freeps IWE handle... - (ChrisR) - (1)
             I believe so -NT - (ben_tilly)
         Is that from the beginning? - (Brandioch) - (2)
             Yes, modulo forum errors, it's the whole shooting match... - (kmself) - (1)
                 I'm actually enjoying myself. - (static)
         Wow. Thanks - (broomberg) - (1)
             I'm prescient - (broomberg)
         Deja.. notice how much clearer was Le Michel's prose - (Ashton)
         *smile* The 'good ole days' - (imric)
         As I remind you every chance I get... - (tseliot) - (1)
             Max post indicated above resp. to brandi - (kmself)
         Jeeze does anyone remember jshekhel - (dmarker) - (1)
             IIRC he had an encyclop\ufffddic memory of M$ weirdnesses - (Ashton)
         That can't be right - (drewk) - (8)
             I dont know about post count - (boxley) - (1)
                 dates are good, my memory isnt :-) - (boxley)
             Look at the date - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                 you were cypherpunks -NT - (deSitter) - (4)
                     thought Peter was -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                         A lot of people were. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                             But few as much as I was... :-) -NT - (ben_tilly)
                     Hell, I was cypherpunks, __a couple times__:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton)
         I miss yaz and cottingham most. -NT - (tseliot) - (4)
             Concurditto. -NT - (CRConrad) - (3)
                 They are around - (Steve Lowe) - (2)
                     I know. (And where are you, you idler?!? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         Idling, of course. ;-) -NT - (Steve Lowe)
         Wow. Thanks! - (inthane-chan)
         Boy the way Glen Miller played - (cforde)
         Re: In the beginning was the Horde.... - (orion) - (2)
             *smile* Keep trying! -NT - (imric) - (1)
                 I found it! - (orion)
         Re: In the beginning was the Horde.... - (deSitter) - (7)
             Agree. -NT - (imric)
             *my* software? - (admin) - (5)
                 We gotta blame somebody -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                     ObLRPD: - (admin) - (3)
                         ObSentientLRPD: - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                             ObCorollaryLRPD: "What?" -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                 *plonk* -NT - (folkert)
         104 posts? From me? HTF did that happen? ;-) - (n3jja)

Be careful. Zucchini can be dangerous if only wounded.
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