Big dog?

Post #76,878 by hnick 1/25/03 8:42:44 AM Reply	Big dog? So what is it with you and Clinton? He's smarter than the current doofus? BFD, that doesn't narrow the field much. Clinton was and is a coward. He never stood for anything except himself when he had the responsibility. Now he has no responsibility, so now he if free to come out on the side of right and morality and justice and all that nice crap. He is not responsible for implementing it. Someone else is. Anybody can pose for any lofty cause if they don't actually have to DO anything. I'm more sick of hearing about how smart this turkey is, than I am about hearing about his sex life. I'm actually responsible for my actions, and I have a sex life of my own. Suppose we flush this turd and move on to real people and solutions?
Post #77,190 by Silverlock 1/27/03 10:26:09 AM Reply	Opinion, entitled, etc. Yours is different than mine. So what is it with you and Clinton? I think he was the greatest president in post WWII history. See my response to boxley for a limited sample of reasons I think that. ...rare is the dollar of corporate profits that bears a tax burden heavier than the burden on an employee's wages. [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/opinion/columns/kinsleymichael/\|Michael Kinsley]
Post #77,226 by hnick 1/27/03 12:09:06 PM Reply	Yup. Agree to disagree. :)
Post #77,227 by Silverlock 1/27/03 12:11:02 PM Reply	See everyone? That's how you can disagree without insults. Thanks and kudos. ...rare is the dollar of corporate profits that bears a tax burden heavier than the burden on an employee's wages. [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/opinion/columns/kinsleymichael/\|Michael Kinsley]
Post #77,201 by mmoffitt 1/27/03 10:49:47 AM Reply	ROFL! Clinton is a coward? What do you call a guy who uses his Daddy's influence to get a cushy pilot job with the National Guard in order to avoid the draft and Viet Nam, then can't even do that! And goes awol 1/2 way through?.
Post #77,225 by hnick 1/27/03 12:07:45 PM Reply	What does W. have to do with Clinton's cowardice?
Post #77,249 by jb4 1/27/03 1:39:20 PM Reply	Pot. Kettle. Black. jb4 "They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink." Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Post #77,251 by inthane-chan 1/27/03 1:48:09 PM Reply	I prefer "People in glass houses throwing stones..." "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
Post #77,254 by jb4 1/27/03 1:54:39 PM Reply	OT: And the point of your sig is...?!? Oh, I get it...! Irony! (ROFL!) jb4 "They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink." Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Post #77,262 by hnick 1/27/03 2:29:27 PM Reply	Pot? Kettle? I introduced no such comparisions. Bush was brought up by Mike as a "Well, somebody else is worse" arguement. I believe the arguement to be without merit. I maintained that Clinton was a coward. It was not a relative statement. It did not in any way depend on anybody elses behaviour. I am not in any way defending or promoting Bush. He has nothing to do with the discussion. So where does the pot and kettle come in?
Post #77,585 by mmoffitt 1/28/03 1:55:02 PM Reply	Others made my point. However, I'm curious. Exactly who are these "real people" with "real solutions" you're talking about? Surely not Dumbya. And when, exactly, did it become a "bad idea" to have a smart guy in the White House? You're sick of hearing how smart Clinton is? Well, you've got his successor to thank for that. If Dubya wasn't such a bumbling, coked-out, boozed-out moron then the contrast would not appear so stark.
Post #77,622 by hnick 1/28/03 3:58:59 PM Reply	Did they? I must have missed it... The whole of your content, as far as I can see, is describing how rotten Bush is/was. Bush never entered into the descussion. It was a statement to Silverlock about Clinton's cowardice. This is not a relative thing. Nobody said anything about being more or less cowardly than sombody else. I never said ANYTHING about supporting or recommending Bush. I also never said it was a 'bad thing' to have somebody with smarts in the oval office. Intelligence is not sufficient in itself. To paraphrase sombody or other, Abe Lincoln possibly: Mr. Clinton is a very smart man. I had a wonderful, very smart chemistry professor. The professor should not have been President of the Unites States. Neither should have Mr. Clinton... As Ashton correctly pointed out, there needs to be a lot of work on the selection system before we are likely to get somebody halfway decent in office. The system seems to favor slime, and one brand of slime is no better than the other. (the last is my opinion only, I don't recall Ashton saying that.)
Post #78,221 by mmoffitt 1/30/03 9:51:38 PM Reply	I can't help it. WTF is it w/YOU everybody else with Clinton? He was too far to the right for me, but then so is everybody in US politics. Can you give me one explicit example of Clinton acting "cowardly"? I'm personally sick of the rants about Clinton. The Right hated Clinton because he was a Republican who could appeal to the masses. He was a better Republican than the current gang of criminal neo-fascists could ever hope to be. And they didn't like it. (ot: how many convicted criminals, like Elliot Abrahms, are serving in the White House now? Under Clinton: Zero.) And I'll presume you don't really have in mind any "real people" with "real ideas", since you didn't answer that question. Your posts in this thread make you sound like YAN Clinton hater who cannot really come up with any reason not to say, "Ya know, he was a pretty good President" and instead spew out the same drivel we all heard for nearly the entire 8 years he was in office.
Post #78,230 by deSitter 1/30/03 10:21:04 PM Reply	can you imagine how much tail he gets? Clinton could have been like Secretariat and spent the rest of his life fucking and running around in a fenced-in area - prison. But thank God, that didn't happen. I sort of miss him. -drl
Post #78,239 by Ashton 1/30/03 10:59:14 PM Reply	Surreal self-cancelling mixture there, DeS.
Post #78,459 by mmoffitt 1/31/03 3:41:35 PM Reply	We All do.
Post #77,341 by Ashton 1/27/03 6:47:27 PM Reply	Common ground? (or at least grind) Can we not agree that the electioneering and party-selection methods we tacitly abide, year after year after.. have Zilch to do with the sane selection of "The Best" from a nation of 280M? Instead, these habits guarantee that only a dissembling mediocrity [but with Good Teeth] shall ascend - by virtue of possessing a mask which alters with the campaign audience du jour.. adequately seamlessly. ie Only an aberration - a Huge Upset\ufffd in fact! might allow anyone of substance within miles of the White House and that comfy jet. S/He will never pass muster via the [1% of the 3%] who Select who passes (and last time: threw one of the candidates out of the aud. where the laughably unmoderated 'debates' were held!) Ashton
Post #77,348 by bepatient 1/27/03 7:15:16 PM Reply	Yes, I agree with you ! They all suck :) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #77,375 by Ashton 1/27/03 9:03:27 PM Reply	Shock___and while we're shaking hands atop the barricades Someone will shoot us both! :( (as Commie-Patriot Subversives) :-\ufffd
Post #77,350 by boxley 1/27/03 7:24:02 PM Reply	choice not endowment will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "The Mafia was preferable to the state, because it survived by providing services people actually wanted" Murray Rothbard

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