Can we 1st agree what the debate is ...

Post #76,232 by dmarker 1/22/03 6:55:33 PM 1/22/03 7:58:17 PM Reply	Can we 1st agree what the debate is ... The news items quote all talk about these countries not voting in the UN to sanction a war against Iraq. What America & UK (&Australia) decide to do (even if Australia is being offered a OTA to participate) by way of invasion is their choice. Is your point in relation to the UN ? a) That the US wants UN approval to invade b) That the US doesn't care about the UN (sideline it) Is your point that Europe has nothing to tell US about its middle east policies ? Once we know what you are really saying, we can effectively debate the merits of the position for & against. Your original post above & the others elsewhere have not made it clear what you are railing against ??? Cheers Doug Edited by dmarker Jan. 22, 2003, 07:58:17 PM EST Expand All History
Post #76,240 by boxley 1/22/03 8:52:50 PM Reply	why should we listen to europe when the fscking mess was created by the euros who seem to specialize in drawing borders around untenable tribal and religious associations? Aussies and Zee's can help as they like a good fight as long as it doesnt involve dark skinned people trying to move there. grain of salt :-) thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
Post #76,258 by dmarker 1/22/03 10:08:02 PM Reply	Bill, I know where you stand & what u believe - these Qs were for Mr Screamer Thanks Doug
Post #76,260 by deSitter 1/22/03 10:11:37 PM Reply	Re: why should we listen to europe when the fscking mess This is a great point - we are stuck with figuring out a solution to problems created by swandiving empires. I say again - Imperialism is abhorrent to real Americans. Imperialism is the life blood of Anonymous Marlowes. -drl
Post #76,267 by rcareaga 1/22/03 10:41:36 PM Reply	Re: why should we listen to europe when the fscking mess deSitter proclaims (for the fourth or fifth time): "Imperialism is abhorrent to real Americans." Apart from the fact that we step onto real dangerous ground when we begin to distinguish the real Murricans from the pretenders, your real articles are being awfully acquiescent to the real imperialism being practiced with such gusto by the ruling junta. cordially, "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #76,268 by boxley 1/22/03 11:07:10 PM Reply	but the ruling Junta are yankee carpetbaggers will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
Post #76,298 by Ashton 1/23/03 6:35:07 AM Reply	Look.. they're just sleeping They are NOT dead parrots. They're nailed to that perch so they don't fall off, is all. Don't they have Beautiful Plumage?
Post #76,432 by marlowe 1/23/03 3:41:23 PM Reply	And strawmen are the lifeblood of IE-loving deSitters The difference between you and me is, I'm for what works, and you're for what doesn't work. In all fields of study. Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. Move ZOG for great justice! Where's Abdul Rahman Yasin? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html] [link\|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//\|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
Post #76,358 by screamer 1/23/03 12:33:14 PM Reply	Absolutely... The reference that I was alluding to came from our exchange a few weeks ago in [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=74445\|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=74445] . In that exchange I talked about America being an extension of the British Empire. I specifically was making reference to the We made quite a mess all over the world... post where I say... To answer one more anticipated question, yes, there are some really smart sons of bitches that "think that way" in the intelligence agencies and gov think tanks. And yes, I believe that the British (by proxie) Empire is continued through US foreign policy. I've even noticed that foreign press is even no longer including the words "and Great Britian" after "the US"... It does kind of negate the expression "the US and UK, unilaterally decided etc." I was laughing over the semantics. [link\|http://www.phoenix5.org/glossary/unilateral.html\|http://www.phoenix5....y/unilateral.html] How the hell can Europe (to which Great Britain is a member, if I'm not mistaken) claim that the US is acting unilaterally in invading Iraq? The one thing that bothers me most about this whole exercise is that Israel is like the 900 lb gorilla in the room that noone wants to mention. "The world believes that Iraq poses no threat to the US, it's all about controlling the oil fields". Iraq poses a hell of a threat to our most strategic ally in the region, not to mention that all of their neighbors would like to see them gone... If we are to believe the Arab world, the "reason" that terrorism and hatred of the US exists is because of our pro-Israeli stance. But that's an entirely different topic. I was LMAO that the US/Brittain are now one entity. Just a few thoughts, Screamer Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see, it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out it doesn't matter much to me J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
Post #76,514 by dmarker 1/23/03 8:41:56 PM Reply	Thanks for the clarification ... now I understand what you were intending to communicate. Re Unilateral, the press of the world has placed the term into common usage and within a meaningful context - I don't believe anyone really has illusions about the role of the US vs the role of UK. It is a fact that both Blair (UK) and Howard (Aus) have stated in their respective parliments that they WILL only go into Iraq with US, if UN gives mandate (just what that really means is open to your own interpretation - I know what I believe it means vs what they are both really thinking). Australia's reward is understood - an OTA. We Aussies at times think of ourselves as another state of the US and for good reason and most are happy to do so. I certainly do - whan I am in Calif & Texas I feel 100% at home. But I believe the word Unilateral is being used acceptably and accurately. I think the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. Cheers Doug Marker

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