Post #76,054
1/22/03 6:40:20 AM
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Bush's 'Final Solution' -Unilateral action as Europe says no
[link|http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder/index.html|Schroder says no]
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France, Russia and China -- all permanent members of the council -- have made it clear they will not be rushed by any pressure from Washington for action against Saddam Hussein, and have backed a call by U.N. inspectors for more time to carry out their searches in Iraq.
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Schroder says no to approving UN resolution on Iraq invasion. Bush's 'Final Solution' will be to go it alone with UK.
And he *will* do it. And he will pay the price, he and his advisors are prepared.
Cheers
Doug Marker
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Post #76,056
1/22/03 8:22:40 AM
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Schroder? WTF cares about that little adolf wannabe
goose stepping his way to germanic/franco domination of the EU.
thanx,
bill
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Post #76,063
1/22/03 8:52:12 AM
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Soo vaht haf yoo to sae about alt der other Sec Cncl membs ?
Hey Box,
What about France, China Russia etc:
Are all these run by goose stepping AH wannabes ??? - What about Herr Rumzfeldt undt Bush & Chenney ???
Cheers
Doug
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Post #76,068
1/22/03 8:55:09 AM
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china sells what to whom
russia and france have signed contracts with whom. Libya is now in charge of human rights. Whats your point?
thanx,
bill
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Post #76,082
1/22/03 10:06:21 AM
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No! Whats your point ???
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Post #76,091
1/22/03 10:33:54 AM
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China has been selling antiaircraft gear to Iraq
French and Russia have huge oil contracts with Saddam so everyone has a dog in this fight.
thanx,
bill
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Post #76,135
1/22/03 11:28:00 AM
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Bill - what is wrong with wanting to pay for the oil ?
you really lose me when you bring that up as some sort of crime - paying Iraq for oil vs seizing it !!!
Anyway, I think we are heading downhill fast on this matter at the moment. I am happy to drop out of this one lest it get ugly.
Cheers
Dou
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Post #76,140
1/22/03 11:31:35 AM
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no join in. my point is that financial gains is not only
driving the US policy it also affects how the others view this effort. As far as paying for the oil, just lift the embargo and the US companies would snap it up in a heartbeat. Personally I think we ought to give Saddam a nuke, then everyone will agree he has one and turn Iraq into a parking lot if he tries to use it.
thanx,
bill
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Post #76,274
1/23/03 12:42:16 AM
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LOL... give Saddam his own nuke...
Interesting way to paint him into a corner.
Reminds me of story of the business traveller who always travelled with a bomb in his suitcase. When challenged he said "well, what are the odds of two people on the plane with bombs?". :-)
Wade.
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Post #76,737
1/24/03 2:02:46 PM
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Actually, we sorta already did, didn't we?
OK, not a nuke. but Chemical and Biological agents, we DID give him. There's a difference?
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
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Post #76,736
1/24/03 2:00:40 PM
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Dangerously close to a Godwin violation there, Box..
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
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Post #76,804
1/24/03 6:39:51 PM
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cant invoke godwin if a german is in the post :-) (new thread)
Created as new thread #76803 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=76803|cant invoke godwin if a german is in the post :-)]
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Post #76,177
1/22/03 1:44:37 PM
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LMAO...
As I said in my last post about this, that the US (***hushed*** and Great Britian) UNILATERALLY decides as EUROPE says no...
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Is there a disconnect here? It is almost comical, n'est ce pas?
Are we (still a part of Great Britain) or are they the 51'st state? Curious minds want to know.
:-)
Just a few thoughts,
Screamer
Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me
J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
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Post #76,181
1/22/03 2:20:00 PM
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State or colony?
Well, I guess that'll have to be settled by war (that's how problems are solved, right?).
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Post #76,261
1/22/03 10:13:08 PM
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sputter
Well, it's war then!
War, war, war! That's all you ever think about, Dick Plantagenet!
-drl
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Post #76,232
1/22/03 6:55:33 PM
1/22/03 7:58:17 PM
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Can we 1st agree what the debate is ...
The news items quote *all* talk about these countries not voting in the UN to sanction a war against Iraq.
What America & UK (&Australia) decide to do (even if Australia is being offered a OTA to participate) by way of invasion is their choice.
Is your point in relation to the UN ?
a) That the US wants UN approval to invade
b) That the US doesn't care about the UN (sideline it)
Is your point that Europe has nothing to tell US about its middle east policies ?
Once we know what you are really saying, we can effectively debate the merits of the position for & against.
Your original post above & the others elsewhere have not made it clear what you are railing against ???
Cheers
Doug
Edited by dmarker
Jan. 22, 2003, 07:58:17 PM EST
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Post #76,240
1/22/03 8:52:50 PM
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why should we listen to europe when the fscking mess
was created by the euros who seem to specialize in drawing borders around untenable tribal and religious associations? Aussies and Zee's can help as they like a good fight as long as it doesnt involve dark skinned people trying to move there.
grain of salt :-)
thanx,
bill
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Post #76,258
1/22/03 10:08:02 PM
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Bill, I know where you stand & what u believe - these Qs
were for Mr Screamer
Thanks
Doug
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Post #76,260
1/22/03 10:11:37 PM
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Re: why should we listen to europe when the fscking mess
This is a great point - we are stuck with figuring out a solution to problems created by swandiving empires.
I say again - Imperialism is abhorrent to real Americans. Imperialism is the life blood of Anonymous Marlowes.
-drl
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Post #76,267
1/22/03 10:41:36 PM
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Re: why should we listen to europe when the fscking mess
deSitter proclaims (for the fourth or fifth time): "Imperialism is abhorrent to real Americans."
Apart from the fact that we step onto real dangerous ground when we begin to distinguish the real Murricans from the pretenders, your real articles are being awfully acquiescent to the real imperialism being practiced with such gusto by the ruling junta.
cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
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Post #76,268
1/22/03 11:07:10 PM
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but the ruling Junta are yankee carpetbaggers
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Post #76,298
1/23/03 6:35:07 AM
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Look.. they're just sleeping
They are NOT dead parrots.
They're nailed to that perch so they don't fall off, is all.
Don't they have Beautiful Plumage?
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Post #76,432
1/23/03 3:41:23 PM
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And strawmen are the lifeblood of IE-loving deSitters
The difference between you and me is, I'm for what works, and you're for what doesn't work. In all fields of study.
Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives.
Move ZOG for great justice!
Where's Abdul Rahman Yasin?
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Post #76,358
1/23/03 12:33:14 PM
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Absolutely...
The reference that I was alluding to came from our exchange a few weeks ago in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=74445|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=74445] . In that exchange I talked about America being an extension of the British Empire. I specifically was making reference to the We made quite a mess all over the world... post where I say... To answer one more anticipated question, yes, there are some really smart sons of bitches that "think that way" in the intelligence agencies and gov think tanks. And yes, I believe that the British (by proxie) Empire is continued through US foreign policy. I've even noticed that foreign press is even no longer including the words "and Great Britian" after "the US"... It does kind of negate the expression "the US and UK, unilaterally decided etc." I was laughing over the semantics. [link|http://www.phoenix5.org/glossary/unilateral.html|http://www.phoenix5....y/unilateral.html] How the hell can Europe (to which Great Britain is a member, if I'm not mistaken) claim that the US is acting unilaterally in invading Iraq? The one thing that bothers me most about this whole exercise is that Israel is like the 900 lb gorilla in the room that noone wants to mention. "The world believes that Iraq poses no threat to the US, it's all about controlling the oil fields". Iraq poses a hell of a threat to our most strategic ally in the region, not to mention that all of their neighbors would like to see them gone... If we are to believe the Arab world, the "reason" that terrorism and hatred of the US exists is because of our pro-Israeli stance. But that's an entirely different topic. I was LMAO that the US/Brittain are now one entity. Just a few thoughts,
Screamer
Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me
J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
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Post #76,514
1/23/03 8:41:56 PM
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Thanks for the clarification ...
now I understand what you were intending to communicate.
Re Unilateral, the press of the world has placed the term into common usage and within a meaningful context - I don't believe *anyone* really has illusions about the role of the US vs the role of UK. It is a fact that both Blair (UK) and Howard (Aus) have stated in their respective parliments that they **WILL** only go into Iraq with US, if UN gives mandate (just what that really means is open to your own interpretation - I know what I believe it means vs what they are both really thinking).
Australia's reward is understood - an OTA. We Aussies at times think of ourselves as another state of the US and for good reason and most are happy to do so. I certainly do - whan I am in Calif & Texas I feel 100% at home.
But I believe the word Unilateral is being used acceptably and accurately. I think the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
Cheers
Doug Marker
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